It's the US that are surrendering, not Ukraine nor Europe. This is a defeat for the US, I don't see other countries that could be qualified as being defeated. Russia not yet but we're getting there. With or without the US.
this post was submitted on 20 Feb 2025
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Ukraine and US are the losers in this war. US have lost considerable influence and goodwill, and Ukraine has lost land and people.
We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.
Someone hit up the Saudis, they were pretty down last time
Most of the global community benefits from Trump's government. They aren't looking for a regime change. Western nations and US Eastern allies are the ones that are being betrayed.
The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.
Once those close, keep them closed. Hell, use them for yourself for your own defense.
The USA has made it clear it cannot be relied on
Nah. Keep them closed forever. We dont need the traitor alliance
And keep them shut if fair elections are not allowed to be carried out by their reality tv star dictator.
Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.
fascicle
Never seen this word before and in my head I just read "foshizzle"
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Trump is gambling with monopoly money.
He put all his money on red.
But Europe is playing poker.
And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.
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What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?
The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.
US failed to stop the Russian advancement in Ukraine. So the US is backtracking from the war, in hopes of salvaging it's relationship with Russia, to prevent another Cold War with Russia + China.
Cleary its time for Europe to round up, cage up, and deport all Americans and put a wall around Europe. And America will be made to pay for it.
If its a good enough policy for mexican and central american countries' citizens then its a good enough policy for American citizens. They have no right to flee their own collapsing country into Europe, bringing their failed philosophies and neglected personal health with them. Doubly so if they are poorly educated. Many of them are probably servants of Putin and his terrorism, thus terrorists themselves.
Lets try that one on for size. Doesnt feel very good does it, my fellow Americans.
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Call his bluff.
American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.
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If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life
"If any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse!" - Winston Churchill, 1940.
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Art of the deal. Plan A is to give three weeks to sign off on the surrender. When they refuse, Plan B starts. Plan B is that there is no Plan B.
If I was a Russian agent, and had managed to become the US President, he's doing EXACTLY what I would to to gut and destroy the US. The Fanta Menace doesn't even seem to be trying to hide the fact he works for Putin. So how has he not been charges with treason? Signed, Confused Non-US person.
Because the republicans have spent years gutting oversight, and decades making the populace dumber. This is their final putsch to fully gut the government so they can have complete power. And they’ve mostly succeeded already. The people are beyond disengaged from four years of this four years ago, plus Covid, plus struggling to survive in late stage American capitalism. It’s the perfect storm for a fascist takeover. And they’re taking full advantage.
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Fucking piece of shit.
Also known as "pig hitler"
Do it! I dare you! Fuck of from europe! Take all your companies with you! Dont sell us weapons anymore!
Democracie is none negotiatable and we dont negotiate with terrorist acomplices!
Yeah, well we didn't vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.
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Fuck him. First, he'll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he'll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the "deals" that he's made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he'll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won't.
Don't ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he'll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, "Sorry, we don't agree. If that means you'll withdraw, then don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out." Bam! End of bullying and if he didn't want to withdraw, he'll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).
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In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.
"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.
Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.
And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.
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