Summary

According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.

The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.

The Telegraph noted, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."

Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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[–] 188 points 2 years ago (54 children)

I am so fucking embarrassed to be an American. Fuck this country and its “leaders”

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

    As an American I'm not embarrassed. The whole world should have seen this coming. This country elected Trump in 2020 EDIT: My mistake, Trump was elected in 2016. Americans showed you what type of time they're on. When he lost re-election Americans tried to force his presidency. The Democrats were too weak while they had power, always trying to take the high road. If any country is still dumb enough to rely on the US for anything then they get what they get.

    EDIT 2: spell check

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

    Hopefully, we'll open Canada's doors to Americans like you soon. Sending you digital hugs my friend.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I really appreciate you saying this (although I'm not OP). I'm scared for my family, my kid is in the LGBTQ community, and we live in fucking Florida, the smelly dick of the US. We are getting our passports setup just in case.

    I work in maintenance/construction, and I'm surrounded by MAGA screaming idiots. These people can't be argued with. All these people care about is hurting others. It's astounding what this country has become. A shell of its former self. The US has already failed, and none of them can see it.

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    [–] 159 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Well, Europe needs to grow a pair and tell Trump to fuck off. We need to accept that he is leaving Nato, and European countries need to take it over or set up a new organisation. He can make any deal he likes with Russia; Europe and Ukraine can just tell him no and show him the true limits of his power. He cannot dictate to Europe and he is not our president.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    In Canada, the public discourse has finally caught up with this. We'll see how long Europe takes to get past the denial stage.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    After JD Vance's little trip to Europe, a lot of European countries are beginning to consider the US to be an adversary.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I really hope Europe starts making some moves.

    From the moment he won the election until now we've seen a lot of world leaders attempting to make nice with him and appease him. It should be clear now that he cannot be appeased nor will his ego ever be satisfied. He is going to take and take and take until other countries start telling him no and laying out boundaries that they're willing to strictly enforce if need be.

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    [–] 131 points 2 years ago

    Motherfucker looks like he’s inflated to Baron Harkonnen size

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  • [–] 130 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Putin’s puppet doing his job well. The Orange Turd delivers garbage as usual.

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    [–] 117 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure this is just part of the "give them a terrible deal they wouldn't agree to" strat that means Trump can say "we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want".

    It's all bullshit and always has been.

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  • [–] 93 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well... If I was China, I'd see this as a motivation to invade Taiwan.

    If the invasion works, it works.

    If it doesn't, simply wait for a US president that isn't able to plan 3 days ahead.

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Unbelievable. Every day, I'm amazed that a man I don't even freaking know can piss me off this much on pretty much a daily basis. The man just literally has no shame, none, zero.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So a mafia protection racket?

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nothing Trump has ever said has been "confidential" 😂

    He could make a tweet saying he's going to destroy the continent with a deathray tomorrow, and MAGA fascists would make a tiktok dance to celebrate it. There's no Watergate this time around, only Leopard's All-you-can-eat face buffet™

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It doesn't matter if the USA promises liberation from Russia, protection for eternity and the cure for cancer... the word of the USA means less than nothing now...

    Ukraine has the same chance of benefiting if they just help that poor Nigerian Prince and use the resulting reward to buy weapons

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    [–] 60 points 2 years ago

    The Ukrainians started fighting before any guarantees and support started coming in from the west. They are fighting for their own self determination. Trump thinking he can just impose this is just not understanding that the Ukrainians can simply say no. And when they do, his all powerful persona will be exposed even more for the scam that it is.

    Russian battleship and American president: fuck off!

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.

    Honestly, not even that much.

    Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Until recently the US supplied a lot of weapons to Ukraine. That did give US official opinion a lot of weight.

    Since Trump and his Republican followers have stopped all aid to Ukraine this influence has evaporated. Why would you care about the opinion of someone who has literally just left you to die?

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago

    Now the EU should leak a report that says without USA's guaranteed peace and NATO breaking up, chances for Russia to attack the EU are pretty much 100%, so better to tariff the USA to astronomical levels, use that money to fund the EU military and attack now before Russia has a chance to rebuild.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trump is not a public servant, he is a crooked business man. He doesn't think about making life on earth better, he thinks about ripping people off as much as he can get away with.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    How is Israel paying back? Or those are donations? 🤔

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”

    This is an extraordinarily bad move.

    I'm glad to see steps taken toward the war ending, but this is the sort of Big Mac diplomacy that's just patently moronic. Trump seems to think he can just order up what he wants and it's going to magically happen without any negative consequences.

    Even if you're a world superpower, there's only so much you can demand of another country. The Iraq embargo, for instance, gave rise to Al Qaeda and the eventual destruction of the World Trade Towers. (And that was the SECOND attempt, after a group of terrorists tried to bomb them previously in the 90's.)

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Credit to Putin, it's a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.

    Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.

    The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.

    If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.

    The time to stand-up to Trump is now.

    Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The telegraph is a right-wing outfit and should be viewed through the lens of that bias. This article repeats their undermining of Ukraine.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Trump signs deals and then just ignores them when he sees fit. He lies about everything. Look at what he is trying to do to Canada who he has a free trade deal with that he signed and said was the best deal ever. Guy is a liar.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Could they agree to it then mine nothing until Trump leaves and renegotiate as a NATO member

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Good job inbred Americans.

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