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'Panic' in Ukraine as leaked confidential Trump peace plan astounds: report (www.rawstory.com)
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According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.

The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.

The Telegraph noted, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."

Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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[–] 159 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Well, Europe needs to grow a pair and tell Trump to fuck off. We need to accept that he is leaving Nato, and European countries need to take it over or set up a new organisation. He can make any deal he likes with Russia; Europe and Ukraine can just tell him no and show him the true limits of his power. He cannot dictate to Europe and he is not our president.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    In Canada, the public discourse has finally caught up with this. We'll see how long Europe takes to get past the denial stage.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    After JD Vance's little trip to Europe, a lot of European countries are beginning to consider the US to be an adversary.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As an American, it scares the hell out of me, but I agree with you.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They need to embargo us.

    Make the US economy absolute dog shit so the GOP gets nuked in 2026. There's enough GOP Senate seats in play to remove Trump from office in early 2027.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I actually agree with you. I think there needs to be a global summit right now. Every country but the US is invited.

    We need to figure out how everybody can stop buying or selling to the US immediately. We need to reflow trade to make that happen.

    Yes, it will be painful. But, in my view, it needs to happen.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I really hope Europe starts making some moves.

    From the moment he won the election until now we've seen a lot of world leaders attempting to make nice with him and appease him. It should be clear now that he cannot be appeased nor will his ego ever be satisfied. He is going to take and take and take until other countries start telling him no and laying out boundaries that they're willing to strictly enforce if need be.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    In the US, there seems to be little understanding of the situation in Europe, which can create false hope. Europe is dealing with the same shit as the US, it's just way behind. But it's going the same direction.

    Also, Europe is not enough of a united entity. There are still national states, it's easy to stir up nationalistic moods. And in many European countries, pro-billionaire populists and far-right parties are getting to power.

    I wouldn't say there's no hope at all, but let's look at the real situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Leaving Nato drastically increases the chances he attacks Canada and attacking Canada will cause a civil war. 100%

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If Trump takes Canada, he better occupy it and not integrate it politically.

    Adding 40 million people to the US population without representation seems unlikely. With representation, that many people with Canadian opinions will mean no more Republican House or President for generations. Are the 10 provinces getting senate seats? 2 each? Never another red senate if that happens. Electoral College votes?

    Honestly, he is going to add the second largest country in the world as a single state? Good luck.

    Will 51st state Canadians be able to move to other parts of the US? Because just the snowbirds already there would turn Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Nevada blue overnight.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    the 51st state thing is tabloid level headline nonsense

    there is no way it would happen peacefully. , it would only happen after a military invasion or a coup backed by the US. Abandon any idea of Canada becoming a state, it would be occupied territory without legal representation and likely very few if any rights. and it would remain that way for at least a generation or two before any small "new states" were carved out, and collaborators would be allowed to rule over small regions for the interest of keeping the peace. after a healthy amount of colonization of American loyalists, murder of Canadians and imprisonment of dissidents. but all in all. make no mistake, it would be a shooting war, and it would certainly cause civil war in america too, as this is a red line.

    you need only look to Eastern Ukraine to see how this sort of thing plays out.

    Armed coercion, military invasion, fake referendums, importing migrants to replace the dead and evicted with "colonists'. suppression , imprisonment and murder of locals who dont swear fealty. etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    But all leaders have to be on the same page.

    And then this needs to be agreed upon once again so that the current president of the european council makes a clear statement.

    If they got the balls the transition period will take some time I suppose.

    This is what is leveraged currently, imo.

    But this isn't mostlikely the entire world dynamic.. Idk.

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