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DeepSeek Proves It: Open Source is the Secret to Dominating Tech Markets (and Wall Street has it wrong). (www.linuxfoundation.org)

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Apparently DeepSeek is lying, they were collecting thousands of NVIDIA chips against the US embargo and it's not about the algorithm. The model's good results come just from sheer chip volume and energy used. That's the story I've heard and honeslty it sounds legit.

Not sure if this questions has been answered though: if it's open sourced, cant we see what algorithms they used to train it? If we could then we would know the answer. I assume we cant, but if we cant, then whats so cool about it being open source on the other hand? What parts of code are valuable there besides algorithms?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sauce?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

It's open sauce.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

internet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Elaborate? Link? Please tell me this is not just an "allegedly".

extra time which Im not sure I want to spend

It's your burden of proof, bud.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSr_vwZGF2k This is what I watched. I base my opinion on this. Im not saying this is true. It just sounded legit enough and I didnt have time to research more. I will gladly follow some links that lead me to content that destroys this guys arguments

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is after all, a court of law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just think that no matter whether DeepSeek smuggled or not, an investigation into whether or not they smuggled is of course going to be launched. I do want more transparency regarding where the Singapore billing goes, but that alone is too shaky for conclusions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

No one here is going to be involved with any of it.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s time for you to do some serious self-reflection about the inherent biases you believe about ~~Asians~~ Chinese people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WTF dude. You mentioned Asia. I love Asians. Asia is vast. There are many countries, not just China bro. I think you need to do these reflections. Im talking about very specific case of Chinese Deepseek devs potentiall lying about the chips. The assumptions and generalizations you are thinking of are crazy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And how do your feelings stand up to the fact that independent researchers find the paper to be reproducible?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Well maybe. Apparntly some folks are already doing that but its not done yet. Let's wait for the results. If everything is legit we should have not one but plenty of similar and better models in near future. If Chinese did this with 100 chips imagine what can be done with 100000 chips that nvidia can sell to a us company

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"China bad"

*sounds legit

Sounds legit is what one hears about FUD spread by alglophone media every time the US oligarchy is caught with their pants down.

Snowden: "US is illegally spying on everyone"

Media: Snowden is Russia spy

*Sounds legit

France: US should not unilaterally invade a country

Media: Iraq is full of WMDs

*Sounds legit

DeepSeek: Guys, distillation and body of experts is a way to save money and energy, here's a paper on how to do same.

Media: China bad, deepseek must be cheating

*Sounds legit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I don’t like this. Everything you’re saying is true, but this argument isn’t persuasive, it’s dehumanizing. Making people feel bad for disagreeing doesn’t convince them to stop disagreeing.

A more enlightened perspective might be “this might be true or it might not be, so I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for more evidence to arrive in the future.”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Sounds legit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yup. Thats internet nowadays. Full of comments like this. Cant do muich about it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

We already have all the evidence. This isn’t some developing story, the paper is reproducible. What’s dehumanizing is assuming that Asians can’t make good software.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is your brain on Chinese/Russian propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you point out any factual inaccuracies or is it just that your wittew fee-fees got hurt?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago

Ah, cool, a new account to block.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Snowden really proved he wasn't a Russian spy when he... check notes... immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets...