u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
The vast majority of leftists who defend porn fall into one of two categories.
Porn addicts afraid to lose their source of masturbation
Petty bourgeois first world sex workers afraid to lose their extra change
Either way everyone is a dialectical materialist until sex work is involved then everyone is a right-wing libertarian.
u/DilbertLookingGuy - originally from r/GenZhou
I think it's the opposite way. Leftists turn into idealist and use liberal style strawman arguments when it comes to porn.
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u/CurBoney - originally from r/GenZhou
no leftist that is anti prostitution wants them thrown in jail. they want the criminalization of Johns and pimps, not the actual prostitutes
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u/choosenoneoftheabove - originally from r/GenZhou
if after we have abolished the conditions of poverty and unemployment somebody attempts to prostitute themselves to make a living they are committing labor desertion. And holy shit once again the regulate sex work in socialism argument. Ah yes, all of women's bodies should be under the democratic and collective control of the masses! So very progressive.
u/Dhalym - originally from r/GenZhou
Not all sex work is done by women.
Again, are we going to jail people who voluntarily choose to have sex with others in exchange for things? If we do, isn’t that a more heavy handed form of control?
Also, what’s wrong with regulating an activity? We do that all the time. I think the weekly STD tests mandated by Vegas is good idea, though the tests should be free.
There’s also the issue of what to do now under capitalism. Given that the conditions for removing poverty and unemployment aren’t here, should we still jail insistent sex workers?
u/Twelthyear - originally from r/GenZhou
I think it’s conditioned defensiveness against social conservatives at least in the American context
u/klqwerx - originally from r/GenZhou
probably more like using defensiveness aganist social conservatism as a means to avoid self criticism
u/WeilaiHope - originally from r/GenZhou
Because of Feminism. No i don't mean that in an incel way. Feminism rightly brought more rights and respect to sex workers, however in a way its gone too far where they take criticism of sex work as a criticism of the sex workers, and their right to do that work. Feminism also empowered women who want to do sex work to do it themselves, as in onlyfans, or their own porn, or being an independent escort, instead of a pimp or porn boss etc. This is an improvement over before, but again, when socialists criticise sex work as a whole for being exploitation by nature, people strawman this into a criticism of those newly liberated sex workers.
Basically its a big strawman argument.
u/BlackSand_GreenWalls - originally from r/GenZhou
I wouldn't say it's feminism, but due to liberal cooption of feminism and warping it into a tool of capital.
their right to do that work
I get what you mean, but honestly talking about a "right to sex work" in a world where probably 99.9% of sex workers are being straight up forced or coerced into doing this work feels a bit cynical. These workers aren't enjoying a right doing this work, they're being deprived of their rights by doing it and by the conditions that make them do it.
Feminism also empowered women who want to do sex work to do it themselves, as in onlyfans, or their own porn, or being an independent escort, instead of a pimp or porn boss etc.
Are we really going to call onlyfans a victory of feminism? It's just another way for a few capitalists to commodify people's sexuality and the absurd isolation and loneliness that capitalism itself has created and to profit of the labour of economically strained workers.
As with everything else, a very very small minority of workers get some big crumbs, but framing this as a victory for feminism seems perverse.
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