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I think the explanation might be even simpler - right wing content is the lowest common denominator, and mindlessly watching every recommended short drives you downward in quality.

I keep getting recommendations for content like "this woke person got DESTROYED by logic" on YouTube. Even though I click "not interested", and even "don't recommend channel", I keep getting the same channel, AND video recommendation(s). It's pretty obvious bullshit.

I hate the double standards

On a true crime video: "This PDF-File game ended himself after he was caught SAing this individual.... Sorry Youtube forces me to talk like that or I might get demonetized" Flagged for discussing Suicide

On PragerU: "The Transgender Agenda is full of rapists and freaks who will sexually assault your children, they are pedophiles who must be dealt with via final solution!" Completely fucking acceptable!

Instagram is probably notably worse, I have a very establish account that should be very anti that sort of thing and it keeps serving up idiotic guru garbage.

Tiktok is by far the best in this aspect, at least before recent weeks.

Do these companies put their fingers on the scale? Almost certainly

But it’s exactly what he said that’s what brought us here. They have not particularly given a shit about politics (aside from no taxes and let me do whatever I want all the time). However, the algorithms will consistently reward engagement. Engagement doesn’t care about “good” or “bad”, it just cares about eyes on it, clicks, comments. And who wins that? Controversial bullshit. Joe Rogan getting elon to smoke weed. Someone talking about trans people playing sports. Etc

This is a natural extension of human behavior. Human behavior occurs because of a function. I do x because of a function, function being achieving reinforcement. Attention, access to something, escaping, or automatic.

Attention maintained behaviors are tricky because people are shitty at removing attention and attention is a powerful reinforcer. You tell everyone involved “this person feeds off of your attention, ignore them”. Everyone agrees. The problematic person pulls their bullshit and then someone goes “stop it”. They call it negative reinforcement (this is not negative reinforcement. it’s probably positive reinforcement. It’s maybe positive punishment, arguably, because it’s questionable how aversive it is).

You get people to finally shut up and they still make eye contact, or non verbal gestures, or whatever. Attention is attention is attention. The problematic person continues to be reinforced and the behavior stays. You finally get everyone to truly ignore it and then someone new enters the mix who doesn’t get what’s going on.

This is the complexity behind all of this. This is the complexity behind “don’t feed the trolls”. You can teach every single person on Lemmy or reddit or whoever to simply block a malicious user but tomorrow a dozen or more new and naive people will register who will fuck it all up

The complexity behind the algorithms is similar. The algorithms aren’t people but they work in a similar way. If bad behavior is given attention the content is weighted and given more importance. The more we, as a society, can’t resist commenting, clicking, and sharing trump, rogan, peterson, transphobic, misogynist, racist, homophobic, etc content the more the algorithms will weight this as “meaningful”

This of course doesn’t mean these companies are without fault. This is where content moderation comes into play. This is where the many studies that found social media lead to higher irritability, more passive aggressive behavior and lower empathetization could potentially have led us to regulate these monsters to do something to protect their users against the negative effects of their products

If we survive and move forward in 100 years social media will likely be seen in the way we look at tobacco now. An absolutely dangerous thing that was absurd to allowed to exist in a completely unregulated state with 0 transparency as to its inner workings

From my anecdotal experiences, it's "manly" videos that seem to lead directly to right wing nonsense.

Watch something about how a trebuchet is the superior siege machine, and the next video recommended is like "how DEI DESTROYED Dragon Age Veilguard!"

I'll get downvoted for this, with no explanation, because it's happened here and on reddit.

I'm a liberal gun nut. Most of my limited YouTube is watching gun related news and such. You would think I'd be overrun with right-wing bullshit, but I am not. I have no idea why this is. Can anyone explain? Maybe because I stick to the non-politcal, mainstream guntubers?

The only thing I've seen start to push me to the right was watching survival videos. Not some, "dems gonna kill us all" bullshit, simply normal, factual stuff about how to survive without society. That got weird fast.

Filter bubbles are the strongest form of propaganda.

The view farming in shorts makes it even harder to avoid as well. Sure, I can block the JRE channel, for example, but that doesn’t stop me from getting JRE clips from probably day-old accounts which just have some shitty music thrown on top. If you can somehow block those channels, there’s new ones the next day, ad infinitum.

It’s too bad you can’t just disable the tab entirely, I feel like I get sucked in more than I should. I’ve tried browser extensions on mobile which remove the tab, but I haven’t had much luck with PiPing videos from the mobile website, so I can’t fully stop the app.

I don't know if anyone of you still looks at memes on 9gag, it once felt like a relatively neutral place but the site slowly pushed right wing content in the last years and is now infested with alt-right and even blatantly racist "memes" and comment-sections. Fels to me like astroturfing on the site to push viewers and posters in some political direction. As an example: in the span during US-election all of a sudden the war on palestine became a recurring theme depicting the Biden admin and jews as "bad actors" and calling for Trump; after election it became a flood of content about how muslims are bad people and we shouldn't intervene in palestine...

If I see any alt-right content, I immediately block the account and report it. I don't see any now. I go to yourube for entertainment only. I don't want that trash propaganda.

Don't let the algorithm feed you!

Saying it disproportionately promotes any type of content is hard to prove without first establishing how much of the whole is made up by that type.

The existence of proportionately more "right" leaning content than "left" leaning content could adequately explain the outcomes.

I bet thise right wing shorts are proposed and shoehorned in everywhere because someone pays for the visibility. Simple as that.

All platforms are now excessively catering to Elon Nazi trump America. It's pretty much propaganda. And it's extreme and excessive.

I noticed my feed almost immediately changed after Trump was elected. I didn't change my viewing habits. I'm positive YouTube tweaked the algorithm to lean more right.

Crazy stuff. So not only does YouTube make you generally dumber, it now is pushing the audience to more Conservative viewpoints because of the "emotional engagement" that keeps 'em watching. and YouTube probably sells more premium subscriptions that way. fuck google!

Yeah, I've gotten more right wing video recommendations on YouTube, even though I have turned off my history. And even if I turned on my history, I typically watch left wing videos.

This is basically the central thesis of The Social Dilemma.