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[–] 75 points 2 years ago (7 children)

What happened in the 1970s? Klinenberg, the sociologist, notes a shift in political priorities: The government dramatically slowed its construction of public spaces. “Places that used to anchor community life, like libraries and school gyms and union halls, have become less accessible or shuttered altogether,” he told me. Putnam points, among other things, to new moral values, such as the embrace of unbridled individualism. But he found that two of the most important factors were by then ubiquitous technologies: the automobile and the television set.

The crux of the issue.

There used to be places for people to congregate.

Now if you're not spending money, there's very few places to go and just coexist with people. Every place you can go is going to squeeze every cent possible out of you.

It's been like this for a while, even in my partying days I'd always pick a house party over a night at the bars.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    The other issue though is that now people are so entrenched with using their devices that if you do go to such places, everyone is looking at their devices and possibly wearing headphones the whole time.

    It used to be you could go out to a cafe and buy a coffee and spend three hours in deep conversation with a stranger. These days, the strangers are all on their phones and tablets and notebooks.

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (10 children)

    I'm almost 40. I barely leave my house and can go a week without going further than my porch. Less than a dozen people have seen my face in the last month. Weekends and holidays are becoming mountains of isolation I have to cross without the distraction of work. I don't have people I can have heart to heart conversations with. All my experiences with professional psychology have been horrid and expensive. I can feel myself becoming socially maladjusted and mentally crazed. Drinking also effects my cholesterol levels so I had to cut that out, so no social outlets via bars, taverns, etc.

    The saddest thing is that this is the most prosperous I've ever been in my life and I primarily attribute my minimal contact with other people for that.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Look up furry groups around you. Start at the closest major city and work up. No, you don't have to be a furry to go to one. The reason why I'm suggesting it is because furries are some of the most welcoming and accepting people you'll ever meet (I'm totally not biased tho). Chances are they'll be some of the best friends you've ever had; so long as you're as accepting as them. They also tend to have a wide array of interests, with tech and tech accessories being one of the most common.

    Edit: There are furry groups for car enthusiasts, arcades, rock climbing, horror enthusiasts, roller skating, skateparks, six flags and other stuff, all in my area. So, no, you kinda don't need to be a furry because the meetups range from furry specific to more general interests.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I have to say that, in spite of surely well earned the reputation furries have for being nice people, that is one of the weirdest suggestions I've ever heard.

    Substitute furries for any other sexual endeavor.

    Look up BDSM groups around you. No, you don’t have to be a dom/sub to go to one.

    Look up gender transition groups around you. No, you don’t have to be trans to go to one.

    YES, YOU FUCKING DO!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'll be the first to say it's not an inherently sexual thing, but I agree it's a weird suggestion.

    Going to any interest group meeting when you aren't actually interested in the topic is kind of weird.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    Only like, 4~5 of the meetups out of like, 28 of the furry ones in my area are actually furry-specific. Most are general activities like rock climbing, going to an arcade, going roller skating, etc.

    They're just run by furries, but I'd be willing to bet there are people in those groups who aren't.

    Edit: I do agree that it sounds weird at first glance; however I'd highly suggest trying it anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    There are furry groups for car enthusiasts, arcades, rock climbing, horror enthusiasts, roller skating, skateparks, six flags and other stuff, all in my area. So, no, you kinda don't need to be a furry because the meetups range from furry specific to more general interests.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago*

    I was one of the first generations that had smartphones and social networks and accessible games (1996), and I spent most of my childhood just sitting home playing games. I was thankfully still forced to do sports, so I at least don't look like the negative nerd stereotype, but while I'm glad for it, I don't remember almost anything from them and simply suffered through so I can get back to a PC.

    It has fucked up my life pretty considerably, and I've spent the last few years trying to unfuck it and do something else. But learning how to spend time in your late 20s, when literally the only thing you've ever done is sit at a computer is super hard, and everything feels like a boring waste of time, and I keep cycling between giving up and just continuing to ignore the problem, especially when something happens and I'm stressed, or alcohol that allows me to at least somehow function outside at events. Which I've done kind of succesfully, DJing and organizing events for local subculture, but I simply can't do that sober no matter how I try.

    And that's after I spent almost a decade of trying hard to change it, including professional help, and my deep hatred for social networks and enshittification keeps me from at least wasting time on FB/IG/Twitter or other timesink sites, and I don't watch movies or tv shows.

    I can't imagine what it must be for people used to just watch shows all day, while also being content with using TikTok and IG, and while I started playing at ~4 y.o on Dreamcast, got a phone during elementary school and Facebook during highschool, you now get toddlers playing on tablets or watching YT.

    And now, we add AI to the mix, where you don't even have to formulate your sentences properly to be able to message someone, or invest effort into reading more difficult or longer texts, since you can just summ it or get an AI to write it. Generation that grows up with this as something normalized will be fucked up beyond recognition.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

    When people have more expendable income again they would go out more and organically interact with others.

    Unfortunately we have allowed wealth inequality to spiral out of control.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Over the past few months, I’ve spoken with psychologists, political scientists, sociologists, and technologists about America’s anti-social streak. Although the particulars of these conversations differed, a theme emerged: The individual preference for solitude, scaled up across society and exercised repeatedly over time, is rewiring America’s civic and psychic identity. And the consequences are far-reaching—for our happiness, our communities, our politics, and even our understanding of reality.

    I've become more and more isolated as I've gotten older. I'm in my early 40s now and I sometimes go several days in a row without interacting face-to-face with anyone other than my wife. I text with my brother pretty much every day, but he lives 1,000 miles away.

    I have plenty of opportunities to be around more people, but I rarely want to. That's not to say that I wouldn't like to interact with people more, it's that I don't want to interact with just anyone. I want to spend time with people I want to spend time with, there just aren't very many of those people around me, and if my only options are: spend time with people I don't enjoy spending time with or be by myself, I'll choose to be by myself. If there were a third option, to spend time with people I like spending time with, I would take it because that would be my preferred option.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As an introvert, I welcome these changes if they lead to a more introvert-friendly society.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Okay, so, problematic use of language here.

    "Antisocial" is actually a very real mental disorder diagnosis categorized under violent disorders and lack of empathy. It doesn't mean "reclusive" it means "talking to them evokes strong emotions previously felt only by cats and canibal-morph-salamanders".

    The USA as a whole haven't started murdering each other for speaking, yet.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's sad but I've been seeing this happen starting 10-12 years ago.

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  • The writing's been on the wall for decades now. The internet accelerated things, but this really and truly started with the rise of the automobile and the white flight to the suburbs, and the commercialization of public life was the death by a thousand cuts that lead to this moment.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hit up your local, or even not local libraries! We're chill, accepting and we have more than just books. There's a whole library of things you can borrow: movies, games, puzzles, game systems, metal detectors, power tools etc. I'm in a small town and even we have free events all the time, for all ages. We're also really open to suggestions, so if you don't see something you like, just ask!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    The best kind of play is physical, outdoors, with other kids, and unsupervised, allowing children to press the limits of their abilities while figuring out how to manage conflict and tolerate pain.

    Hot take

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Can someone please make an app for meeting people that doesn't ban me or require me to enter all my personal data?

    I feel like its so hard to meet people these days, since all the apps have turned into data harvest and selling machines :(

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Haven't done it using an app. Pick an activity. Find a club that does it. Meet in person

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pick an activity. I'm into the outdoors, so looked at local Sierra Club chapters and cycling clubs. Joined a couple. Met a lot of people.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    ?? How do you find a club????

    Let's say I want DnD, I look at Facebook, into the library and then searched for a website and found nothing

    What should I do now?

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    [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I combat this by hosting bi weekly game nights and bi weekly movie nights for my friends and I. It really is fucked up they got rid of all the public space to stop minorities from accessing it. I hate this society.

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