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This place has roughly 3,000 people and was intended to be an entire replacement for DaystromInstitute and StarTrek as they were going dark indefinitely. Well, within 4 days the moderators have walked back those statements and opened both subreddits up. I see no incentive for people to come to this website now and while a few may come here in the future, most people will go to r/startrek with 600,000 people.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit is dying. Its goals as a growth-oriented corporation are inherently contrary to its original nature as a community center. I have to give them props for dragging it out as long as they have (and will). All the factors that made Reddit possible and desirable still exist; in fact, the ActivityPub federation protocol enables an even more powerful form of collaboration that transcends a lot of the negative aspects of Reddit's design.

Give it time. Make content! Tell people about this wonderful new generation of media. Consider it an opportunity to engage with the glory days of a new form of internet media. Which it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know if reddit it's dying but it will be a worse place for sure (and it was quite shitty since years)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, it's going to be a long slow process. This will have slow bursts like we're seeing now as reddit makes their app shittier and shittier, but we're never going to see an exodus like Digg again, Reddit is 100s of times bigger now.

It's going to look like Facebook, where over time people leave as they realize they don't need it anymore, and eventually all that will be left are stubborn people, the people in admin/mod positions that refuse to give up power, our moms, the people who think Minions memes are funny, and the thousands and thousands of bots talking to each other about how great lysol cleaners are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly the only people that will remain there are, as you said, either very stubborn, or too young to give a damn. There's a community that I was a part of for a long time that I loved deeply, it was a very warm and inviting place. When the sub went on blackout and took a poll to extend indefinitely, I made a passionate plea to the sub to really consider what's at stake, even though so many of them felt like it was pointless. I wasn't rude, I wasn't callous or pessimistic, I just wanted people to know that whether something seems hopeless or not isn't the point at all, but rather taking a stand for something you believe in should be the point.

I was promptly met with a barrage of downvotes and someone replying to me spewing vitriol and telling me to touch grass, with another person just shrugging and saying they just want things to go back to the way they were (by ending the blackout). It's weird but I was honestly pretty hurt by that response. This community that I came to know and love turned on me the moment I suggested we take a stand.

There really is no persuading people like that unfortunately. But, hopefully, slowly, change will still happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I had the exact same response from my favorite sub too, was honestly pretty hurt by it. Then the mods removed it after enough downvotes.

Like guys I love this community, at least I thought I did, I just want to see it continue without being held hostage by Reddit. Same thing, I didn't get angry, didn't push people to switch over, was more like "Hey we have a community over here, if anyone feels like they need to leave Reddit, here we are", like "here's a safe landing spot for you". I'd never seen my favorite community, where I had tens of thousands of karma from, get so angry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah for me I made the transition today feeling the same way as you. It sucks that just because mods try to go on strike, on behalf of everyone really, the users try to help reddit instead.

For me I’m making the change after being sure I won’t regret/miss too much the content on reddit. I might still go back sometimes for a google search (appending reddit), but for the most part, I’m not using it as a platform I browse.

Even if this fediverse stuff doesn’t pan out, I’m happy to tread these waters and see if it’ll be our future solution to avoiding these greed induced social media self destructions.

Today was the first day I just felt so sickened by how reddit just wouldn’t budge, no matter how disatisfied its users are. I just didn’t even feel good about using the site anymore, even if I love the content/lazy content there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Strikes almost always get people lashing out against them, and in favour of the Evil Empire. People just love being crabs in a bucket, dragging each other down, ensuring that nothing gets better, all because they don't want to think long term about things.

All they see is that someone is trying to restrict what they can do right now. The reasons, or the long term consequences, be dammed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Roughly 3,000 people in four days...

And yes the subreddit reopening was not part of the original plan, but there's not much we can do about it besides make this a better space that users will feel comfortable signing up with.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The change hasn't even gone into effect yet. Let people deal with the ads and shittiness that is the official app. They'll be looking for alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that their end goal here is to get people off of 3rd party apps and off of old.reddit so their eyeballs will be exposed to more ads. I now no longer really care how many more people there are on reddit. I'll do some silly shit to avoid looking at ads. It's almost like a religious thing for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just have to be committed. Also remember that it's not just your site, it's all of lemmy that can participate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I left Reddit a few months ago and I missed deeply r/StarTrek, so I certainly hope [email protected] will not die !

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was incredibly proud of the trek community for boldly going into the new frontier of the internet. Taking the entire subreddit for the ride could have really helped mass adoption of decentralized social networking. I expected the sub to reopen eventually, but I'm pretty disappointed by the reaction of those currently posting in that thread. If any fanbase should be willing to move forward with the times, we should.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Same thing happened with the Twitter migration. It reveals those who get it and those that don’t. We all differ in our values in these things. It kinda sucks but undeniably. Some of us care and are willing to sacrifice for something better. Others need their convenience and fail to see bigger picture morals.

All we can do is build what we want to see. That’s how the world gets changes.

Only issue I have is I’m not clear on how committed the mods are to maintaining this instance??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’m not going back to Reddit. I like it better here. And are all 600k really people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's rather up to us, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve been visiting Reddit since 2006 and had an account there for nearly 17 years. I remember it before subreddits were a thing. It was for tech nerds and other associated weirdos before entering a genuinely charming period for a few years, but those days are long in the past. I’d rather try out something new with a smaller group of interesting people who are also into trying new things, and I hope this site is able to keep chugging along regardless of whatever is happening at Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Nmyownworld, I’m still not able to reply to a reply with Mlem, I’d like to say the same - for me it’s been about trying to find a new place to have conversations in a board that’s diverse, well moderated and values keeping a balance of different perspectives that don’t shout down others.

Being in a conversation with hund of thousands isn’t my main goal. Being in a place where fans of diverse demographics and perspectives can respectfully interact is.

Us vs them, lack of openness to other perspectives seems to have always been where Star Trek fandom falls apart, going back to the early mimeod fanzines. I’m glad you flagged that in your comment.

I’ve been finding the conversations in the fandom increasingly challenging to join into, and had been wondering where I should continue to participate or not. (“The cancel this to give us that because all true fans want what I want!” demands in less well moderated social media have been accelerating.)

Star Trek wasn’t what drew me to Reddit as much as I have enjoyed the conversations there. I wonder where I will be able to have conversations about other hobbies or my local community. So, being motivated to join Lemmy and look around for those from a safe home base is a gift.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No worries. I don't even know what Mlem is, heh.

" “The cancel this to give us that because all true fans want what I want!” demands in less well moderated social media have been accelerating."

I've noticed that, too. It saddens me. Star Trek is diverse, in many ways. And, there's a lot of different Star Trek shows and movies around. Civil conversing seemed to be becoming a lost art. Hopefully, genuine conversating makes a return, without hyperbole ridden shout downs.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In short; The root cause of the protest wasn't enough for the mods to sacrifice their accounts for. Maybe one they'll find something they truly believe in, but this wasn't it.

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