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I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I've a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I'd like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Hey, I’ve been vegan for a few years and would be interested in it as well. I’ve mostly read theory on speciesim related to racism (Ko sisters) and related to validism (Sunaura Taylor). I’ve discussed this subject in an informal manner many times in socialist/anarchists movements with other comrades.

I have a book in my to-read since a few months (https://cup.columbia.edu/book/animal-oppression-and-human-violence/9780231151894). I don’t know the author, but it looks like it’s explicitly trying to draw a link between capitalism and animal exploitation. I’ll probably get to it in 1-2 months.

Here is also a comment where I tried to explain informally why I think veganism is worth it and not just an individualist action but a political statement https://hexbear.net/comment/5751548

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I whole heartedly support the idea of a such club. I, in fact, had recently a thought provoking conversation elsewhere about this topic and thought I'd have to expand it into a longer piece from proletarian perspective. So, yes, let's fix this.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (67 children)

I'm sorry if I have different opinions, I get the vegetarian part, simply not eating meat, some people I knew were vegetarian, but completely vegan? Not eating eggs, drinking milk etc? How does that work I don't see how is that even possible? But I (and a lot of people I know) simply cannot live without meat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Those are plastic things, you can change them like any habit. The discipline we must acquire to organize effectively is already more difficult than just not eating animal products. It is even a passive act! For me there was no real difficulty whatsoever, just a period where I learned new recipes and my palate adapted.

It is also something where if you don't see value in changing the habit, you will focus on reasons to not do it. This is normal. But if you were vegan, which is an ethical orientation towards animals, you'd be more motivated to find a way to make it happen.

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