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[–] 302 points 2 years ago (11 children)

It's entirely his fault for not being a multi-billion dollar company which actively invests in better ratings. In capitalism, there is no fairness - there is only money.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    This reminds me of the documentary “This film is not yet rated”. The point was that the MPAA gives way more leniency to big budget studios when giving ratings. The net effect of this is it kills the low budget films before they can be released.

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    [–] 186 points 2 years ago*

    One looks like gambling but is actually a fun roguelite card game, the other one looks like fun but is actually a gambling game. Guess which one is rated 18+?

    spoilerOkay I lied, FC24 doesn't even look like fun, but that's my personal opinion.

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  • [–] 184 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    If you search for "poker" on PEGI's site, it seems that many games which are actually about simulated gambling are rated 12 or 16. They seem to think Balatro is more likely to expose children to realistic gambling than, say, Prominence Poker or Pure Hold'em World Poker Championship, which seems completely bizarre, given that those games are about playing poker and Balatro is a fancy kind of solitaire with no betting.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The pathetic thing is games of the ilk of balatro and luck be a landlord (also OG peggle) are actually the kind of game that plays with your gambling impulses but in a healthy and fun way, these games should be celebrated for subverting the language of gambling to make something beautiful, how pathetic to have so little actual understanding of video games and yet have this kind of power to impact the industry.

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    [–] 121 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    The reasoning in question:

    This game teaches - by way of images, information and gameplay - skills and knowledge that are used in poker. During gameplay, the player is rewarded with ‘chips’ for playing certain hands. The player is able to access a list of poker hand names. As the player hovers over these poker hands, the game explains what types of cards the player would need in order to play certain hands. As the game goes on, the player becomes increasingly familiar with which hands would earn more points. Because these are hands that exist in the real world, this knowledge and skill could be transferred to a real-life game of poker

    So, this game teaches skills and knowledge that are used in poker. The skills in knowledge are limited to... playing and making poker hands. That's it. Also, "as the game goes on, the player becomes increasingly familiar with which hands would earn more points" -- is hilariously funny. The idea that knowledge of what a poker hand is is anything related to the dangers of gambling is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    As the game goes on, the poker hands also get increasingly unrealistic and different from real poker including things like five of a kind, and a pair being worth more than a royal flush.

    If you tried to take the skills you learn from balatro to a poker table you would get kicked out basically immediately.

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    [–] 92 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is actually quite eye opening to me, as someone who doesn't really ever have to look at ratings as a consumer and has always just taken them for granted. Now I'm keenly aware it's yet another example of runaway capitalism. Just never thought too hard about it.

    PEGI's a cunt.

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    [–] 87 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Actual gambling - 3+

    Suggestion of gambling - 18+

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Sounds like grounds for a defamation suit to me considering his stated opinions on gambling.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    In the meantime we can start guessing which side has more money to hire lawyers

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  • [+] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)
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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Is the rating purely because it uses playing cards? Poker hands?

    Yahtzee and literal poker with betting are included in Nintendo clubhouse/worldwide 51 and it's rated Pegi-12.

    Would balatro get a pass if it used cards numbered 1-13 instead of traditional cards?

    This whole thing is bonkers.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Anyone can walk into a store and buy a deck of cards.

    I bet the gift shop of any casino in Las Vegas would sell a souvenir deck of cards to a kid without a second thought.

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Tell me you are corrupted to the core, without telling me you are corrupted to the core.

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago

    i think it's clear from this these regulatory bodies primarily function to help the industry make money. indies can sometimes get co-signs from these bodies, but only if they stay in their lane. balatro has been a huge smash hit, and it feels like this body just wants to keep it down that little bit

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m willing to bet PEGI was lobbied to push for that 18+ rating by ea and other publishers because balatro is taking revenue from them. They don’t get how a game without microtransactions is doing better than they are

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Self-regulated organization my ass.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Doesn't matter in the slightest.

    me, age 12, San Andreas

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Learning the names and ranking of poker hands is the devil!

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Dragon Quest 11 has a T-for-Teen rating and it's got a literal casino built into the game. Roulette, poker, and slot machines. This isn't even uncommon for JRPGs. Curious how the ratings agencies just glaze over this fact when assigning their scores.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago*

    This is the part I can't figure out. It's not just indie games: ages ago, Pokémon dropped the casinos from their games specifically to avoid having their age rating bumped in NA and EU. So clearly they sometimes account for gambling in side content. But somehow other franchises have kept them in, and aren't suffering.

    Does it just depend on whether or not the particular person assigned to review your game is a hardass about particular things?

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Baltaro devs may need to invest in gambling to earn enough money to bribe PEGI the way EA almost certainly does.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You didn't ask the question the ea way.

    You're supposed to ask with a hefty bribe.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Seems like an advertising opportunity. First solitaire game rated 18+ without any gambling, I assume no nudity, language, etc.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Guess I just have to buy Balatro harder then

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago*

    Did he try getting a friendly industry insider appointed to the regulatory body to "facilitate" ?

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