a small « support us » donation link in our website footer or even on one of the allowed platforms triggered a « nope » from Apple.
Christ. Caring about your rights and using Apple products is not compatible.
this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2024
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I don't think it has to be all-or-nothing when it comes to caring about your rights. I care about my rights, but might still have to deal with a Windows PC for select use cases.
I have friends who undoubtedly care about their rights and simultaneously own an iPhone. Does it make them a hypocrite? I don't think so. I think it means that "caring about your rights" is situationally, and generally, really difficult to put into practice in 2024 and not everyone can go full RMS and completely forgo all cell phone use on principle.
You can still install things on your Windows PC. Apple's control over their ecosystem is to a degree where you have no meaningful ownership over your hardware any more.
I think people don't need to be hypocritical, it's enough to be ignorant. But if you care enough not to be ignorant and you still tolerate it, you might have a problem walking the walk rather than just talking the talk.
But if you care enough not to be ignorant and you still tolerate it, you might have a problem walking the walk rather than just talking the talk.
I think it's disingenuous to suggest that people are only "walking the walk" if they take every single avenue possible to protect every single right they believe they have. I run Linux on every device I own, but the CPUs on those systems are still largely vulnerable to privacy violations from things like Intel Management Engine and other vectors caused by closed-source blobs in the firmware. Am I only "walking the walk" if I also go the extra mile to flash Coreboot or Libreboot to my devices?
If you believe in your right to privacy, you shouldn't own a cell phone at all, should you? Even a dumb flip phone allows governments and other private entities with enough power or resources to monitor your location at all times.
I think using Apple products involves paying money to a company who actively hurts you and limits your rights. That you cannot install software developed by an orbganization that accepts donations is pretty insane.
I'm not much of an absolutist. One can only do so much. But Apple is putting unreasonable constraints on consumers, and it should not be tolerated.
I think using Apple products involves paying money to a company who actively hurts you and limits your rights
Vendor lock-in and walled gardens aren't an Apple-specific problem, though. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have problems that they are particularly bad for, just that "paying money to a company who actively hurts you and limits your rights" isn't unique enough to Apple for me to consider someone not "walking the walk" for buying their products. Most mainstream phone brands have locked bootloaders that limit your rights to affect the hardware you purchased, but I'm not going to suggest someone isn't "walking the walk" with regard to their consumer rights for owning one.
I’m not much of an absolutist. One can only do so much. But Apple is putting unreasonable constraints on consumers, and it should not be tolerated.
I agree they're putting unreasonable constraints on consumers. I do not agree with labelling those who do tolerate it as not caring about their rights or not "walking the walk" when everyone has different, if arbitrary, desires, goals, and limitations that are unique to them.
I don't judge them too hard. Much like Twitter users I think they are blndly using a product that has gotten gradually worse. Much like Twitter users I think they need to realise at some point. But I understand that it's difficult, and much like Twitter's social graph, Apple's network of services keep people captive.
And yes, there are huge problems in the Android camp as well. I sympathize with users who think all alternatives are bad, but I think we need to realize some are worse than others.
Also worth noting I don't think anyone should buy a new phone over this. Whoever has an iPhone should keep using it until they can't. But if they care, they should get something else after.
Very exciting, great work dudes
Thank goodness. PeerTube needs wider adoption. We need creators as much as we need consumers.
Exactly, the onboarding experience needs to be super sleek and straightforward, you'll be surprised to know how many creators don't know how to configure their stuff, they usually ask their friends
If it's harder to use than Dailymotion, Odysee or Rumble, most people won't use it. Creators, certainly, won't consider it. The thing that made YT, Dailymotion, Vimeo, etc., big is that you didn't have to necessarily worry about the "hard stuff". You just shoot the video and push the upload button.
PeerTube needs more instances with the push-button option for creators to adopt the platform at first. The big challenge is, no matter what you do for compression or P2P or whatever-have-you, someone, somewhere, will have to pay for it. If it's not creators, it'll have to be either the viewers (not happening when the platforms listed above are free-to-watch), advertisers (not happening if the user base is too small and the content isn't brand-suited), or sponsors (not happening if the user base is small and made up of free/libre/pirate enthusiasts). That's part of the issue with PeerTube's adoption and I don't see a way to overcome it. We need an equivalent to mastodon.social or lemmy.world for the video side of the fediverse. Trust that creators and communities will break off, but have a canonical location with very few limits. Preferably you also would prefer that said canonical location doesn't defederate from anybody.
The UI works well. Can't get it to play videos on my Pixel 8 though.
Definitely will try again once it's on F-Droid proper.
This app makes no sense as someone who has no idea how peertube is supposed to work. I think peertube will never take off unfortunately because no one is gonna host quality instances. Videos are just too expensive.
Are content creators we already know expected to start their own servers? Or will there be a general mega instance for everyone to post to. Not to mention the fact no ones going to get paid for all of this effort except maybe the instance getting donations.
Are content creators we already know expected to start their own servers? Or will there be a general mega instance for everyone to post to.
Honestly - both?
Good examples are going to be Floatplane and Nebula for the single-content-creator platform and the group of creators platforms.
There's no real reason you can't build a platform and require someone to pay you to have access, and it seems to have been successful for both groups.
Video hosting is expensive, but it 's not prohibitive and a group of creators could certainly come up with a useful platform and self-host it and still be profitable.
Now, the question is, of course, if peertube is the right choice for that and if it offers anything they'd need, but that's a different discussion.
I just dont see it happening at all. Youtube may be too big to fail unless its somehow broken off of google into a nonprofit or something. An alternative I would be happy with is us switching to the internet archive. But im sure im alone in that. I also think posting videos will soon cost money to upload rather than being spammed nonstop as data hosting costs skyrocket.
you're welcome to help improve the project
The app is the least of peertubes problems, I just think the entire concept is the most complicated and obtuse fediverse we have. Its hard enough for normal people to use Lemmy or Mastodon but PT is a whole different animal. Maybe PT should stop trying to be its own standalone service and integrate better with what we already have.
Maybe Lemmy and Mastodon could use PT as a backend for videos uploaded to their instance that could be found via a Lemmy community or tags via Mastodon.
It's integrating as best it can. It has an embeddable player and LDAP logins. It's kind of a failure on the part of other platform Devs to use it.
@jaxiiruff it's all one fediverse, and it all communicates using activitypub. it's not standalone.
I think we all know that doesnt really matter at this point. As a Lemmy user I am only able to communicate with you if you post to one of our communities first. Even then I still dont even know how that works since I dont use mastodon.
On every level besides technical we are all seperated. What I proposed is that there needs to be a better way to integrate PT into all of our apps and instances in a way where we can all comment and engage while being able to discover and share videos as easily as possible. I still think using Lemmy communities is the best bet for this vs using some complicated approach.
They are already helping by providing their feedback. It’s up to the existing team to address it.
PeerTube is an excellent idea, but it never took off. Maybe PeerTube will see better days when Google can't pay for YouTube anymore.
You honestly think a massive corporation that can't afford the costs of its own operation could be replaced by a couple of scrappy individuals who absolutely, definitely cannot afford the costs of its own operation?
could be replaced
I don't recall mentioning that PeerTube could replace YouTube in my comment.
You implied it with the phrase "when Google can’t pay for YouTube anymore".
Maybe PeerTube will see better days when Google can't pay for YouTube anymore.
I don't see how I implied a hope for PeerTube to replace YouTube.
I simply said that PeerTube might see better days when Google can't pay for YouTube anymore, as in PeerTube might get some popularity after that.
It challenges even the multi billionaire tech companies to host something like YouTube at similar scale. I don't think anyone that knows how big YouTube actually is would think that.
How do I "care for my attention"?
This project shouldn’t pretend to be better than it is. They are poisoning the well imo.
Not available on f-droid yet 🥲
Play Store Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.framasoft.peertube
Edit: man, the user experience is uhhh... Not great :(
They released it too early. No account login, slow load times, unintuitive UI... Literally just a worse imitation of newpipe.
Finally a peertube app that makes sense! Great news!
Finally, I can ditch YouTube on the phone.
Ok, I’ve been anxiously waiting for an easy way to incorporate PeerTube into my Apple centric entertainment stack. Unfortunately, this app doesn’t do it for me — the design is confusing and not prioritizing the ability to login (easy access to synced subscriptions) is wild to me. Also not sure why there isn’t an Apple TV app yet. Beyond that, the frequent use of AI generated marketing photos for PeerTube is creating another bad taste in my mouth. In summary, I’m more pessimistic about this project than I was a couple months ago.
Have they been using AI art? All of their art that I've noticed has been from David Revoy.
And it's a fairly small open source project that only started working on the phone app last year. It's not that surprising they haven't gotten apps for every platform yet.
My apologies if thats actually someones artwork. Guess the style just has that look, unfortunately.
not prioritizing the ability to login (easy access to synced subscriptions) is wild to me
I was so surprised by this as well. I thought I just couldn't find the login at first. Well at least the feature is planned for next year.
so is peertube like open source youtube? looking at the videos its the same cringy youtube thumbnails. id like just regular videos not stupid yellow text with an arrow pointing to the subject like im a fucking 3 year old toddler.
I think this happens because everyone does this in youtube and by habit people do it on other platforms.
But at the same time, clickbait works and that's the problem basically. If a clickbait tittle gives you more views and you want to be relevant doing clickbait tittles will help to get to that goal.
Hopefully with time and less algorithms promoting this behavior we will have less clickbait stuff but I don't think it will never disappear, specially when there's a big industry behind.
doesn't work on me, i skip crap like that.