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[–] 80 points 2 years ago (1 child)

They got away with stealing half a trillion four years ago. Not a surprise.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Wait half a trillion? When did that happen?

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    COVID was the most transparent upwards transfer of wealth I've ever seen in my lifetime.

    Nobody noticed it at all, but it happened.

    To get us out of the COVID market crash (which should've been allowed to happen in a "free market") we got a Fed that was actively buying financial products to keep the market from imploding.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    Yeah, they do this regularly (see also 2008 for example). The devaluation/inflation of currency is a crucial tool for transferring wealth from the poor to the rich. That's one of the fundamental reasons why crypto was developed.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ah, so that's why bitcoin spiked out of nowhere. All the grifters passed around some inside information and stocked up before this went public.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I have a very small investment in a btc etf but have watched it go up 150% in the past 2 weeks.

    Btc is an instrument to end the central banking system and bypass sanctions.

    A while back I decided I'd put my money where I knew the evil people were heading.

    Turns out my (very small) portfolio has gone up 56% the past month.

    Crime pays, I guess is the lesson.

    (Purchased last year at 4.40 a share)

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Btc is an instrument to end the central banking system and bypass sanctions.

    ...He says, smugly holding his BTC in a centrally banked backed ETF

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago

    Hey, constituents! Ever wanted to find out the breaking point of society through inequality?

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If we want to have some sort of strategic crypto reserve, or some crypto dollar currency, why the Hell would we buy Bitcoin to do it? We can just whip up our own coin. Flat out call it CryptoDollars if you want. IDK. The federal government can create a coin, give it out to people for free, and then in turn accept it for taxes, the same way any currency is backed. Buying up existing market Bitcoin is just idiotic.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Because paper money can be instantly created by any bank/etc in the form of a loan/etc.

    That would be extremely difficult with any crypto of value since it would be constantly devalued (like the USD) but probably transparently for the any foolish "investor" to see.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    😆 what a fucking grift.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you have a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin but you can't sell it for a billion dollars, then you really don't have a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    One whale isn't going to be able to cause a run on a $2T market cap.

    Bitcoin has absorbed the liquidation of the remaining assets from an entire defunct exchange before.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    would literally be funding terrorists, terrorist states, organized crime, state sponsored hacking groups, weapons dealers, drug cartels......

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, it's pretty crazy that the vast majority of crypto's use is from large organizations, corporations, and/or nation states getting around regulations and/or sanctions. Not at all surprising, just crazy.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Most crimes are dollar-denominated and other currencies also vastly outweigh crypto in criminal use.

    Bitcoin is highly traceable, with all transactions recorded and publically avaliable for review at the press of a button. Can't say that about regular money

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    The only thing worse than big corporations owning the government is big corporations and con artists sharing ownership in the government.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    North Korea has stolen many billions of dollars in Bitcoin in the last 5 years due to targeting hacking efforts. However, they struggle to spend it or launder it because nobody will be the ones left holding stolen NK Bitcoin.

    If we make Bitcoin strong and fungible, we empower North Korea more than anyone else. It's a bad idea.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    The distant roar of pump memes can be heard across the nation.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Coincidentally, it is rumored that Satoshi holds a little over a million Bitcoin that has never moved, from the project's early days when it was worth a fraction of a cent and he was the only one mining it, earning 50 worthless BTC every 10 minutes. It's been widely assumed that those early Bitcoin wallets are lost. But what if they're not? Someone is sitting on billions of dollars, but can't sell, because that valuation is based, in part, on those particular assets being lost.

    The article is right that this is all about banking out the largest BTC investors, because they can't just go to the markets and dump thousands of BTC at once. But they can sell that BTC directly to the Government, bypassing the markets entirely. The same government who can keep the BTC on the balance sheet, and print dollars in exchange. Just like Tether does, only legally this time. And if Satoshi (or his heirs) still have access to that early BTC, the Government is perhaps the only entity they can sell it to that won't cause a massive panic the minute those coins are moved on the blockchain.

    But the article notes that Bitcoin was born out of a distrust of central banking and the Government in general. If this is the plan, I am sure that Satoshi is spinning in Hal Finney's grave over it.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Here's the thing ... if there aren't buyers enough to maintain the price, the paper value isn't correct. This is an artifical scarcity, and this bill would be a bail out to the rich and leave the US taxpayers holding the bag when the market crashes. The US taxpayers would then own all this bitcoin with no way to sell without crashing the market so it's just a direct transfer of wealth to the current holders.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Bitcoin does have artificial scarcity, though. There can only ever be 21 million in existence under the current protocol. Nearly 20 million have been released through mining, so there are only a little over 1 million left to mine. (There's that number again....)

    Yes, Bitcoin is an open-source project and anyone can modify the code, but the network operates based on all the mining nodes accepting the same rules. If I were to run a node that changes the rules to mine more BTC out of thin air than the protocol allows, other nodes would just reject it. Changing the 21 million limit would involve getting all these miners to decide to change that code, and why would they do that, when it would dilute the coins they have already mined?

    I agree with you, though, that it is too risky for the US Government to keep BTC in reserve. It's price widely fluctuates, it has reached $100k but is probably going to be valued at less then $50k at some point in Trump's term. It will also be valued at more than $200k at some point during Trump's term. Speculators are betting on which will come first. The US Government shouldn't be involved at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Someone is sitting on billions of dollars, but can’t sell, because that valuation is based, in part, on those particular assets being lost.

    Ok if someone tried to sell hundreds of billions at once. But somebody could sell maybe a million here and there over a long period of time. That hasn't happened in the case of these "Satoshi" bitcoins.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    The Satoshi coins are special, because even though they exist and are part of the calculated BTC "market cap", everyone assumes the keys are lost and factors that into the scarcity price. So if those coins move for any reason it proves that someone still has the keys, then at best the market takes an immediate 5% haircut to account for the increased supply. But since so much of the story around Bitcoin is about it's mysterious anonymous creator, it could cause more of a dump as people think that if Satoshi is bailing on the project, it is probably over for good.

    But if those coins go to a wallet publically associated with the US Government, with a pledge to hold on to them as a reserve, that sends a different statement, that those coins are controlled but can still be counted on not to move....

    .... as long as Government policy doesn't change. So now Democrats come to a reckoning on crypto. Because if Bitcoin becomes Officially Endorsed by the US Government, all the Crypto Bros now have even more reason to sell 100 of their BTC every four years to put their thumb on the election. And if Democrats take over and put the screws to Crypto causing a meltdown, it now puts a big hole in the US balance sheet.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, this is ALL about the grifting.

    The rubes voted for donvict hoping he'll "hurt the right people" and he may. But the REAL fucking goal is to make the broligarchs even more fucking money and the rubes - they'll get fucked as much as anyone.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Well at least I have something to look forward to as the world goes down in flames...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just wait until the Divorced Fascist Trenchcoat Buddy Association department of government "efficiency" hears about this...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thats an odd way of saying the government will buy and hold crypto, theyve stolen as much from bitoin pioneers like Ross Ulbricht, about time they start actually paying for it.

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    [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I drove past a really sketchy Circle K earlier today that had a Bitcoin ATM sign. Looked like the sort of place where someone would stick a gun to the back of your head and force you to make a large cash withdrawal.

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    [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Wow, miraculous level of misinformation in this article

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