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#justfediversethings (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 years ago by baggachipz@sh.itjust.works to c/funny@sh.itjust.works

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago

Please don't

[+] WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

It's self-promotion and is taught at all the top MBA schools.

[-] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago

Indeed. Flattery by proxy is the key to many sales techniques

[-] overzeetop@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I agree - the two posters above have very, very good points!

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago

Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow"

[-] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago

It was the wild west times for the internet.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

The prodigal son returns!

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Oh no!

Anyways

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Fundamentally, though, how can it be stopped? The two instance administrators can only see part of what's happening, and can't directly determine that the votes are coming from two alts of the same user. Maybe over enough times, the patterns can be guessed at with heuristics, but this kind of vote manipulation is going to be a problem for federated communities. Especially if we don't get better moderation tools developed.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

That’s kind of what I wanted to point out with this post.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 2 years ago

this kind of vote manipulation is going to be a problem for federated communities

This is not exclusive to federated communities. Reddit has vote manipulation too.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Reddit does have vote manipulation, but reddit admins can easily see much stronger indicators of the same person behind multiple user accounts: Server logs of user agent, IP address, interface/API key, script support and activity that tends to give away browser type and history, etc.

Most of that information is only available to instance admins, so admins of one instance can't see when external votes are coming in from the same users who already voted using accounts on your instance.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 2 years ago

Most of that information is only available to instance admins, so admins of one instance can’t see when external votes are coming in from the same users who already voted using accounts on your instance.

Admins can see how users vote, even external users. So it's no different from local users on the same instance (which would be how reddit operates). So I don't see how this is different.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

The instance I'm logged into doesn't forward my user agent, IP address, or CSS/script support (or other fingerprinting techniques) to the other instance. Everything I do in a community hosted on another instance is forwarded through my instance server as a middleman, and I never directly connect to the other instance server.

The admins of an instance (or reddit) might be able to analyze server logs of different users on their own instance to be able to determine those things, but can't apply that analysis to accounts from other instances, whose interaction with the server doesn't actually include a login or any direct connections to the server they administer. All they have to go on is the ActivityPub logs, which won't include that fingerprinting information.

[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

vote manipulation is going to be a problem for federated communities

I guess, but since the feed isn't algorithmically created to maximize engagement (the tools are better than commercially driven sites) I don't think it matters as much. I think of it as a "Who's Line Is It Anyway" condition - everything is made up and the points don't matter. And, tbh, I really like that I can click into a stupid-x story without worrying that I'll be fed stupid-x content for the next week. It's worth a little vote tomfoolery, imho.

[-] teft@startrek.website 21 points 2 years ago

Oh look, it's the new Unidan.

[-] baggachipz@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Oh wow this is great

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

"This guy has the right idea."

[-] mihnt@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago

I'll do this if it's important information that needs to be shared and seen by more people. Otherwise I don't bother. I'm not in it for the doots. I'm here for the community.

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