CAFE by GE for those who are wondering.

We are renovating our house including all new appliances. I have told my partner to make sure we get non smart appliances. This is why.

Yes I can setup a VLAN for it to be on but that's not the point.

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[–] 130 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You didn't buy an oven. You bought a node for someone else's botnet.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Hanlon's razor, but its interesting to imagine that some Russian, US, Israeli, Chinese, etc agents infiltrated management at appliance manufacturers and convinced them to make all their devices smart, just so they could build bigger botnets

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  • [–] 90 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If you didn't immediately take this back and demand a refund you're part of the reason enshittification is getting worse

    Or American with fuck all in the way of consumer rights, one of the two

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    [–] 79 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    they're using the Wi-fi radiation to cook your meals /s

    Thats really, really dumb. I can understand maybe wanting the option of having your oven ping your phone when the timer goes off, but what could it possibly need internet access for in order to turn on the heating element and a fan for a set period of time??

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    I had a bakery/kiosk mix of shop, where I baked bread every morning for 13 years or so. There was a customer who questioned my oven, because she actually does not know if it really radiates. And how I can be this sure about it. Its a damn oven! Like one in every household, just a bit bigger. People are really this dumb. Besides, it wouldn't be legal... oh man still upsets me. Not because of being accused for, but it upset me that people like her have the right to vote.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    they’re using the Wi-fi radiation to cook your meals

    You're thinking of microwaves.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The microwave region extends from 1,000 to 300,000 MHz (or 30 cm to 1 mm wavelength).

    Source: https://www.britannica.com/science/electromagnetic-radiation/Microwaves

    2.4Ghz, and 5Ghz are microwaves. Your typical microwave oven operates at about 2.45GHz due to resonance frequency of water. 2.4Ghz wifi is literally a typical microwave's neighbor.

    The difference is sheer amount of power and shielding. Not the type of radiation.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's a big, honking "no" from me.

    It'd be one thing if the "smart" features were there but only supplemented the basic functionality. It's another entirely for those basic features to require an internet connection.

    Out of curiosity, did the product description indicate the internet connection was required? I'm soon to be replacing some appliances and want to know what to look out for (besides all mentions of "wifi" or "smart").

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Why the fuck does an oven have a touch screen? That's a horrible idea. Good luck cleaning your kitchen without accidentally hitting "buttons" on the oven! And heaven forbid food splatter turns on your oven broiler.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Smart appliances are such a ridiculous scam.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I can totally see a point in some of the features.

    The other day my wife and I got 20 minutes from home before I said "oh shit I don't know if I turned the oven off". Turns out I did, but we had to drive home to check. I would have loved to pull up an app that told me it was actually off, or even if I was on be able to turn it off from there.

    With that said, it's not worth all the extra bullshit in my opinion.

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For OUR best experience ( not yours )

    F&&& that. Send it back.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    We can't say the word "Fuck" here? Serious question; why did you self censor?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Do what you like, friend, as I did. Why? I don't swear a lot in person, and for me, I communicate the same online and off.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    But they told me I can just not connect it to the internet and it'll be just like any dumb device.

    Eventually these things will come with modems built in so you can't even do that.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    My microwave is a 1977 Amanda Radarange. It can boil a cup of water in ⅕ of the time a modern microwave can.

    Now granted, it has zero fancy settings and a simple number pad that does nothing but set how long you want the microwave to run.

    But honestly, this simplicity is a large part of it’s charm. No connectivity needs, no features locked behind paywalls, no extraneous bullshit or never-used features. Just a tool that does only one thing, and does it exceptionally well.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I got a "retrowave" in mint green. It's dumb, uses a turn dial to set the cook time, stands on little feet like it's from Rocko's Modern Life, and looks like it's from the 50's. Have a matching toaster and eventually want a matching fridge.

    It's been 4 years and no issues which is more than I can say about a lot of other new appliances we've gotten for the house.

    For dumb appliances with a fun aesthetics look up 'retro (name of appliance here) and you'll get all the brands who make stuff like that. It's the only way I've been able to avoid smart garbage so far.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    It's only a matter of time before corporate WANs like Amazon sidewalk and/or the ever decreasing cost of cellular modems and IOT contracts mean they won't even ask anymore.

    In the mean time, these things are usually programmed with minimal effort. I have to wonder if there's an actual unlock process or if giving it a completely isolated subnet would satisfy the check.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s only a matter of time before corporate WANs like Amazon sidewalk and/or the ever decreasing cost of cellular modems and IOT contracts mean they won’t even ask anymore.

    Then it's time to heat up the soldering iron and disable the wireless connectivity in hardware.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I bought one of those ge induction ovens to swap out a gas one. The only smart feature I liked was the ability to turn my oven on to preheat from my phone. Guess what feature just doesn't work no matter the tech support help i get with it.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Please say there isn't a subscription

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Why the fuck can't we make things hot without the internet? FFS

    Fire: "I got you, bro."

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I wonder if they will eventually make a toilet bowl to connect to the Internet. Can't flush until you connects to the Internet just because....

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    It's so you can have the New Turkey Mode

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Seems to me like they do not know how to make a good oven.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    If they will be running a botnet with your net at least it should be a fair pay.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    That's because air fryer.

    There are no dumb air fryers, are there?

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    They are smart because they know how to spy on you without telling you.

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