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Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.

This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community.

Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.

Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.

Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.

All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).

Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.

To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.

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"Imperialism leaves behind germs of rot which we must clinically detect and uproot from our land but from our minds as well." - Frantz Fanon

Hello users of Hexbear, the intent of this announcement is two-fold the first is that we would like to do another community moderator drive, if you have a community idea or want to help an existing one then please send an application either through hexbear or matrix direct message.

The call for new mods is crucial to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site, we need users to report and enough mods to be able to quickly act on the reports throughout the day and night. Also, CW or content warnings are essential to the safe browsing of Hexbear.

In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.

The second is to increase transparency with regard to the site while not repeating the mistakes of previous attempts that were ultimately counterproductive, in part due to wreckers.

Previous attempts to increase site transparency and user participation were targeted by wreckers through increasing the intensity and frequency of struggle session drama.

Using matrix's increased level of user permissions as an anti-wrecking measure while having an increased barrier to sending messages with a clear process to gaining the ability to send messages, we hope to mitigate wrecking attempts.

Leading to the creation of the Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.

This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.

Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.

Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.

All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).

Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.

To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.

In closing, I want to state that this site would not exist without the volunteer labor of the moderators, who I am deeply grateful for.

I would also like to take this moment to remind people that lemmy direct messages are not encrypted, and finally please use this post to discuss these changes, share community ideas, or express interest in moderation.

Application

What is your Hexbear username?

Do you have any preferred pronouns?

What are your thoughts on capitalism?

What are your thoughts on imperialism?

What are your thoughts on trans rights?

What are your thoughts on racial justice?

What do think about current and previous protests around the world?

What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation?

Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities?

What did those experiences teach you?

What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams?

How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it?

What current comms would you be interested in moderating?

Do you have any ideas for community engagement?

What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)

Element informationElement is a messaging app that lets you talk to people over the Matrix protocol.

To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser.

The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:

Press "Create Account"

We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat.

This is completely optional; users who sign up with a matrix.org username can still talk to people with chapo.chat username.

(Note: It is chapo.chat, not hexbear.net. Also, registrations aren't always open on chapo.chat; if they're not, just create an account on matrix.org)

Fill in a username and password

Hit register, and you're done!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat.

Element says

Registration has been disabled on this homeserver.

for chapo.chat

Element says chapo.chat registration is disabled

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site

I'll say it again and again. The Code of Conduct states:

We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.

Do better. These struggle sessions, and the admin response, have weakened my confidence that you truly care to uphold this.

For instance, in this current struggle session, the admin team (Alaskaball's statement that carries a disclaimer that it is their view alone doesn't count) has failed to acknowledge how this action has made our users feel less safe. Many comrades called out how disabled/neurodivergent users can be disproportionately impacted and your response doesn't even come with an apology, let alone enough to reassure me that using the upbear button, perhaps in conjunction with a poorly phrased comment, isn't going to get me in this kind of situation — I have a hard enough time as it is ensuring that I've phrased comments acceptably and clearly (although feedback when I have erred in doing so is useful) or put posts in the right comm, etc.

For instance, Yukiko doesn't feel safe upvoting comments anymore, and the response to her comment about how the interaction between this and her ADHD makes her feel less safe is to remove it for being "hostile", instead of acknowledging the underlying concern. How is that commitment to welcoming regardless of disability?

P.S. If you feel like removing this comment, just permaban me. I would sorely miss the community, but in that case, I would know I'm not welcome.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We have in the past used upvote auditing to determine mod actions specifically to address the CoC clause you are quoting, and we will continue to do so in the future.

I recognize that many users upvote everything in a post to mark as read, as well as mistakenly upvote while scrolling on mobile which is why a single upvote will no longer be enough for a mod to act on, but it will continue to be used in conjunction with a user's voting patterns, mod-log, and post/comment history to make an appropriate action. Sadly, any feature request, like a way of marking a comment as read rather than voting on it, is not within our capabilities.

When multiple people of intersecting marginalized communities say to us "this comment that made me feel unsafe has a lot of upvotes, which make me feel worse, can something be done about this?" we acted. I'm sorry if those actions made the recipients feel unsafe, which is why we are asking mods to have more than a single upvote as evidence for an action.

For active hexbear users, we do encourage a mod sending a warning message, however that is not required. We frequently give 1 day temp bans without such a warning and while we do wish we had more mod tools available, we work with what we've got.

The previous struggle session was a result of the mod team wanting to uphold the code of conduct and received pushback for what was done. We have changed our site proposal process to give more transparency and opportunity for user interaction with the process.

If you have specific ways that we could improve, please comment here or use one of the other avenues provided.

Thank you for the comment, I won't be removing it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

We have in the past used upvote auditing to determine mod actions specifically to address the CoC clause you are quoting, and we will continue to do so in the future.

I'm not opposed to it as a holistic measure in principle (e.g. if someone is clearly and consistently upvoting CoC violating content and not others), but are there specific criteria that you plan to use? This warning is quite vague, and carries the risk of being reinterpreted in the future to permit, say, banning people for commenting in opposition to a planned change in a struggle session, in conjunction with upvoting similar comments in that struggle session.

When multiple people of intersecting marginalized communities say to us "this comment that made me feel unsafe has a lot of upvotes, which make me feel worse, can something be done about this?" we acted. I'm sorry if those actions made the recipients feel unsafe, which is why we are asking mods to have more than a single upvote as evidence for an action.

Thank you for sharing the admin team's thought process. I understand that it can be difficult in the moment to make administrative actions.

Nonetheless, I hope that admins have reached out to the affected users and acknowledge their feelings and the steps the admin team will take to ensure their concerns will not be an issue going forward.

If you have specific ways that we could improve, please comment here or use one of the other avenues provided.

I'm a little late to the party in terms of the struggle session — I only knew about it after this post had already been made, so I'm not intimately familiar with the specifics. I will also confess that I'm not intimately familiar with what correct moderation decisions should necessarily be, since I'm not a mod/admin.

That said, maybe if you had wanted to use the upbear list, messaging all users who upbeared it, good faith or not, with counterpropaganda would have been a good idea to make it a teaching moment for those who saw that comment and could potentially use a takedown even if they disagreed? Explain the difference between "working with fascists" and potentially converting them, or explain why even potentially converting them isn't worth trying, etc.

Thank you for the comment, I won't be removing it.

Thank you for responding to the comment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Honestly at this point people should just stop up voting stuff, if the mods think it is noteworthy they will tag it to the front page or something. I upvote people as a courtesy when they respond to me instead of doing name calling whenever we disagree, I guess I should stop doing that just in case.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

...if we need new mods to reduce racism, that implies the last ones were kind of racist.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

If marginalized comrades continue to speak about aspects of this site that make them uncomfortable, then we have more brainworms to remove and work to be done. I don't expect that process to ever fully end, either, until Imperialism, colonialism, and Capitalism have been abolished worldwide. That's all I really have to say about this subject, and all I will say. shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.

Could a matrix room be embedded as a "live ticker" or "live chat" on that post?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

I love this idea

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

that would be really neat, however outside the scope of our capabilities due to the extensive amount of development required to make that work. Thanks for the suggestion

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I have some other projects to wrap up, but I want to led a hand with dev stuff in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Idk if this is the proper channel, but I posted a request for a “mark as read” option in Lemmy which you can upvote if you are someone who uses upvotes this way. (I think it’s odd but I get it)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

I should note there's also the "save" button (it's the star). Pressing it saves the post and you can later see it again by going to your profile and pressing "saved".

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (20 children)

I'd just like to say I love all my hexbears. I hate seeing what has been going on lately because this place is the only good thing on the internet. I hope we are able to emerge from these struggle sessions stronger and better but I'm having a hard time holding on to my bloomerism.

Fuck it close all the comms and embrace Megathreadism! Nothing bad ever happens in a Megathread. (this is a joke... mostly)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You joke, but all the good content is in the various megas. The main site is just cheap dunks and pointless drama at this point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

New mega is the only mega

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I do feel like the site needs a shake up. The users are good people but there is stagnation that I think is causing unrest.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

That's just real life stagnation and depression creeping in. No idea what this website could possibly do about that though.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We would love to hear you and other users thoughts on what needs to change. Part of this new change is to make it easier for users to do so

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

While the Megathreads are great, encouraging posts outside of them would be nice as well

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hexbear themed Uncle Sam: “I want you to post”

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Please just take away the like button like you did the dislike button. It will save time if upvotes can lead to accidental purges.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (16 children)

In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.

Good. Me getting slapped for what I've said twice now was nonsense. My fighting for trans and minority folks should've clued you folks in to the fact that maybe, just maybe, I didn't read the whole fucking post. Hells, you, Carcosa, have had experience with my bitchiness in the past for me fighting for my trans comrades, so it was kinda bonkers to get banned for that reason.

Seriously glad you're attempting to shed these issues. Cause like, the site's slowly dying and accelerating it through nonsense actions is just going to kill it much quicker than its expiration date.

That being said, I'm not removing my uBlock rule for the fucking upbear button. I'm not chancing that shit again.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 23 hours ago

Hell, I'm not sure; that thread was an intense anxiety-inducing pile of shit. And admin responses to it aren't exactly leaving me with warm and fuzzy feelings about this place.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

I'd also like to remind any mods that do not have element that the majority of the discussion that occurs on issues of the day occurs in Element. I know its a pain in the ass to fiddle around with the tech to get on there, but if I could somehow manage to do it I know you can too!

Whether you maintain a client on a phone app or in a desktop tab (the superior option because that's what I do lol), ensuring that you both stay up to date with what's going on behind the scenes and also lending your voice to the discussion is desired but still optional of course.


On the topic of Hexbear Proposals, I'd like to say that the goal of the project in my opinion is that it works similar to the little experiment I ran in the news mega in allowing users join the table of deliberations and discussion in collectively shaping the direction we'd like to see the site move towards. Keep in mind this is still very much a work in progress and not in any way shape or form a finished idea! So I'd like to ask anyone that decides to participate in the democratic posting trenches or simply sit on the sidelines and throw quippy one-liners to please grant us your patience and understanding as any unintended issues pop up.

That said I genuinely hope this helps us bring more stability to the site and helps us collectively move in a better direction.


Final note: just emphasizing the reminder to all you pretty little geometric ursines, please remember to be mindful of what you're posting! Make sure to add CWs and NSFWs to topics that need it! Remember to help remind each other if one of the posters forget to include a CW for anything, and if you'd rather not leave a reply doing so then please remember that the report button is there for your use to alert a mod that a poster is being forgetful. (Also please make sure to be descriptive when you write a report. Writing "sus" or leaving an emoji can leave us confused at times. So help us help you!)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

But we like the struggle sessions, they're a key element of hexbearism thought.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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