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Personally I'm really obsessed with the lore in Fire Emblem: Three Houses

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Disco Elysium.

At first, I thought it was nothing more than a parody of Europe. But then I started talking to the corporation rep on the boat about the world you're in and holy shit. It's nuts how they give you all this insane exposition about how the world works, how physics are different, how there are literal swaths of VOID called The Pale that separate the isuldas and is described almost the same as how crossing space in Warhammer works. Like you need special tech and special protective suits to not lose your mind or be erased, and even then you want to limit your time in the pale. There are fantastical creatures that exist (you may even see one depending on how you play), incredible technologies, and even differences in real tech that become fantastical in the way they are different (like how they have something like the internet, but is dependant on using an actual phone to talk to an actual operator).

I am so dismayed at the fact there are like 3 or 4 Disco Elysium spiritual successors in development right now, but NONE OF THEM are actually going to be set in Elysium, because the world of Elysium would be amazing to continue to explore. 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Dark Souls

I've never played any of the games, but the wikis have so much reading material I can stay engaged for hours.

It's a universe populated by unfathomably evil undead beings. They farm humans for their flesh and their souls, and there is no chance humanity will ever free themselves.

It's an incredibly dark setting, but it's hauntingly beautiful. What kind of society would these creatures develop? Architecture, art, religion. Their civilization is an anathema to us but that's why it's so alien and captivating

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MALAZAN

I'm only on the 5th book but the world building is Tolkien level of detailed. Writer Stephen Erickson is an anthropologist who brought he and his achaelogist friend Ian esselmont dnd world to written reality. Esselmont has books in the series too but not that far along yet.

It makes it difficult to pick up other books afterwards. Major caveat I didn't know what the fuck was happening until the second book. Then it clicked.

Wonderful writer and world building.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Question for you. I've tried getting into Gardens of the Moon a couple times, but I find it's just endless dialogue. Are all of the books just constant dialogue? I found I was missing Tolkien-style descriptions and scene setting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The dialog is pretty consistent and certainly gets overwhelming at times. I understand why Erikson started the story where he did but you're dropped into the story about 100,000 years after it started. I'm 16 books in and just starting to understand the events that kicked everything off.

All that said, best books I've ever read without question. %100 with the read. If you want another entry point I might suggest giving Midnight Tides a try. It is the 5th book and takes place on the other side of the world with completely new characters so you don't need any context from the first 4 books. Midnight Tides also contains my 2 favorite characters in all of fiction, the banter between Tehol and Bugg is immaculate. That dialog is probably a better intro than Krul and Krupe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

The Foundation series by Isaac Asimov. Though, I guess what really hooked me was the idea that the future could be predicted, and guided toward an outcome that would benefit people. That, uh, doesn't seem to fit with reality. But it sounds real nice ☹️

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I consider lore and worldbuilding to be related but different concepts. Lore is the details of your world, worldbuilding is the way you deliver those details.

My favorite example of worldbuilding is The Dark Crystal, both the film and series. The lore is standard fantasy stuff, but the intricacies of the world are so rich and they unfold so naturally. It felt like a real world, and I felt like very little of what I learned about that world was simply narrated to me. The world was built through tiny details, interactions and observations, throwaway lines of dialogue, and effectively so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Vampire The Masquerade.

Hands down best depiction of vampires, and what unlife is like for a vampire.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Expanse.

I love the idea of sovereign nations Earth and Mars, and the political conflicts of not just diferent people, but different people living in different atmospheres, unlike different nations on earth, the difference between a Earther's and Martian's live is so different: Gravity, Breathable Atmosphere, the Ocean.

Also there are people that live outside of the planets in space stations that have never experienced a planet's gravity and their bodies and unable to survive on planets. The story expands to other star systems.

Its originally a book series but it has been adapted into TV, although they canceled the TV series before it was finished :(

But still worth a watch tho, the politics is more fun than irl politics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I only realized after I finished the series and reflected on it, that one of the reasons I enjoyed The Expanse so much because I was enjoying the complex and intricate politics between sensible actors with different motivations. It helped me cope with the real world's politics being full of sadistic fools.

I haven't seen the TV show so I don't know where it leaves off, but if you haven't read the books, the last 2 books into the ending was a hell of a crazy ride. And it wraps up with a conclusion that I didn't foresee as possible. I highly recommend the books.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

serious answer: Discworld. every storyline starts out completely separate but through the years they wove together into a world rushing headlong into a new age.

shitpost answer: ace attorney. eat your hamburgers, Apollo.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dune is incredibly unique. Scifi without computers and genetic magic. All politics. The books are outstanding.

Caves of Qud was my first contact with post post-apocalypse. Can't even begin to convey how strange and magical everything feels in that universe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Caves of Qud is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

The latter books are just weird with all the sexual imprinting and other weirdness which sounds more like written by a horny teenager than an adult.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

LotR - it's really fucking hard to top especially when Tolkien was pioneering the field.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've never heard of First Law, but it being mentioned alongside the Expanse is reason enough for me to check it out

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

10/10 recommend. I'm 6/9 through the expanse and on 7/10 with Joe Abercrombie. (these are number of books, not ratings)

Joe's books are great. After the first trilogy, it's 3 stand-alone and a compilation of short stories. So if you don't love his stuff (if you liked the expanse you will) you can be done after the First Law Trilogy

My lemmy username is directly related to the First Law Trilogy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He's possibly my favorite character of any series. I've gone through all of the books 3 times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Is probably say coal shivers. I kind feel like he's ambercrombies favorite as well since he's actually in all of them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I'd say the same. And he's got so many good quotes, most (killin' aside) relatable.

Logan Ninefingers (First Law) Amos Burton (Expanse) Wayne & Steris (Mistborn, Era 2)

I don't think there's another character I like more than these folks. Logan probably sits at the top though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Delicious in Dungeon/Dungeon Meshi by Ryouko Kui.

It has wonderful world building introducing it slowly over time without info dumping, or better said, there is a nerd in the world info dumping on his friends, who don't always appreciate it =D

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His Dark Materials is worldbuilt very well, I also like ATLA for its worldbuilding, even if it's a bit simplistic at times.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know, I've always liked the Avatar:TLA's worldbuilding

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Hell yeah. Just watched the series for the first time ever this year and absolutely loved it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

On Cinema at the Cinema.

Where my Gregg heads at?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The original StarCraft and Brood War. I’ve always hoped a movie would be made about the story/lore but hollywood doesn’t exactly have a good track record with turning games into movies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I still remember the first time I played StarCraft and watched the intro movie, when the battle cruisers left it blew my child mind.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Right now I'm way down a Brandon Sanderson rabbit hole, so I guess the Cosmere? I'd say Stormlight Archive, but Mistborn is really cool because they're set at the inflection points in the planet's history. The first arc is excellent, and it changes the world. The second arc is set in the future, with mythologies based on the first arc and scientific progress based on secrets uncovered in the first. The changes in the use of magic are really cool. There's a third arc planned to be set in the future from there.

But the Cosmere as a whole shares some core concepts and characters can move across it, and that comes into other standalone works like (3 of 4) secret projects and a bunch of other stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

I feel like Brandon Sanderson's individual worlds lack something in worldbuilding which I can best describe as "unknown history". it feels like he tells too much about the world he reveals which makes the world feel smaller. like if there are ruins that are part of the story you're probably going to learn how those ruins came to be. this may be related to all the worlds being post apocalyptic and could be intentional

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Agreed - Brandon may not be the best at certain facets of writing, but he's nothing short of virtuosic when it comes to worldbuilding. The cosmere is a masterwork in this regard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

I love Brandon because he's an absolute machine at writing. I've given up on too many amazing series because I just don't believe the authors will ever finish the work. Brandon is a breath of fresh air in that regard.

That being said, he has a really specific range to his writing. Personally, I can't binge too much on his work or I get a little bored or restive or something. Kind of like eating cereal for every meal -- it's great at breakfast, but at some point, you just need some variety.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Most recently, Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, had great world building and character development.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Kipo and the World of Wonderbeasts is entirely underrated in so many ways. Worldbuilding is one. Music is another.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Chinese xianxia and wuxia shows. I’m a brown person from the American southwest who grew up with mostly European mythology and fantasy stories. Learning about a very different world of myth and lore has been endlessly fascinating and exciting for me. I even homebrewed a ttrpg around it so I can share some of the cool concepts and stories I have learned.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In your opinion what are this genres masterpieces or best introductions?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I certainly don’t know much but my entry points were Journey to the West and Detective Di.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I've enjoyed the world building of the Warhammer 40k setting.i started out with the models in high school and moved into the books to not have to deal with sweaty, agro nerds wanting to rules lawyer the game into no fun. So many interesting stories set in the grimdark universe, and a ton of great characters to follow.

Peter F Hamilton is another good one, though his world building is rather dense. Hell tell you all about how the roads on some alien world are enzyme bonded concrete or how the magic paths traverse entire worlds and systems. Definitely not for everyone, but the audiobooks are great (John Lee has such a soothing voice) and I've heard them so many times they make a great media to fall asleep to when I'm traveling.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

BattleTech/mechwarrior. I think it started as a tabletop game? Lots of media came from it, and video games pop up every few years starting in 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTech

The series began with FASA's debut of the board game BattleTech (originally named Battledroids) by Jordan Weisman and L. Ross Babcock III and has since grown to include numerous expansions to the original game, several board games, role playing games, video games, a collectible card game, a series of more than 100 novels, and an animated television series.[3]

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

The main wiki: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/

There was a so bad it's good cartoon in the 90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJM4vjMdhc

Tons of novels, two modern TTRPG systems, two current tabletop miniature wargame rule sets.

A new action game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2000890/MechWarrior_5_Clans/

A very good turn based game very closely following the tabletop rules: https://store.steampowered.com/app/637090/BATTLETECH/

A multiplayer online action game: https://mwomercs.com/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Call me boring but Randland (The Wheel of Time).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I read those books over and over again just to spend more time there. I still remember more details about the cultures, cities, and fashion in those books better than I could ever remember the plot. The magic and higher moral themes were very simplistic in comparison to other books but RJ really excelled at fleshing out a continent with diverse and unique peoples that made sense in that world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It was a short story, but I really like Faun by Joe Hill. The way the two worlds interact was really fun, and I'd love to hear more about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Elder Scrolls is probably the one I've had the most fun theory-crafting about, but I will admit that you have to pick and choose what to care about.

Also the old Wipeout racing games had a remarkable amount of background plot going on that was really pretty fun. The self-awareness to poke fun at Fusion's poorly-received changes as being the in-universe result of megacorp meddling for mass market appeal gave me a good laugh, but you can piece together a surprising amount of the world from random references in team flavour text

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

What's lovely about Elder Scrolls lore is it very much feels like you have to investigate or draw your own conclusions about things. Things can rarely be taken at face value since people and things in the world will contradict each other. At a surface level it sounds like there is no cohesion but even the bias itself can be revealing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series.

Just a breathtaking setting that begins with the first hundred settlers and traces the intrigue, terraforming, conflicts, and dreams of the colonists. It's a sweeping epic written on a human scale.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

DrakeNier series: Starting by red dragon falling from sky in 2000s. Through guy in medieval, postapocalyptic 3400s trying to save his sister. Ending on androids in maid suits fighting a war against machine lifeforms and preparing Earth for return of humanity, in 11945.

Also I didn't tell about origins of the dragon, because I haven't played Drakengard series yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I really loved Magnamund, the world setting for Joe Denver's Lone Wolf adventure books and their later novelizations.

https://www.magnamund.com/legacy

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