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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (24 children)

Devs are allegedly Marxist-Leninists.

Redditors dont understand that devs dont exactly have full control of open source software, that different instances are not operated by the devs.

Edit: Lemmy devs to be specific

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that's only true about Lemmy. There are other threadiverse apps. The mistake is people calling the threadiverse lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yep, though the alternatives are not quite there yet software wise, but MBin and Piefed aren’t that far behind..

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Also there are plenty of alternatives. Both PieFed and Mbin are perfectly fine platform with, as far as I know, no tankie developers associated with them.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago

We are having a great time over here in the Fediverse, and they are jealous. So we will continue to have a blast, just to piss them off.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Because people off Reddit hate everything that its not reddit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

People on Reddit. We’re the people off Reddit :)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Besides other factors mentioned in this thread, there's also

  • selection bias: people with a positive view of Lemmy already migrated, so the leftover is bound to have more negative views
  • older userbase: older people use language in a different way, talk about different topics, and dig into those topics in a different way. That often makes younger people throw a tantrum.
  • group identity: for those "AS A SNOO" we're basically apostates.
  • edit: personal drama between higher ups is more visible here than in Reddit.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Older userbase makes this place a lot more useful, outside of politcs and news subs you are dealing with who can provide good information, ie how reddit used to work.

Drama has its place... it is provocative and it gets people going... we need more engagement! We are deff getting there too, meme subs were spamming all 1 year ago, now there is enough threads to keep a reader busy without fluff memes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I agree with you that both things have their upsides; and frankly, I don't even think that we should be pandering to the immigration leftover wallowing in Reddit. Growth is good, but growth should never come at the expense of the community that you're trying to grow.

However I feel like those points help to explain why the "lol lmao" crowds hate this place.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean, read the post? They explain themselves pretty well there. Or are you linking it with hopes we'll brigade or something?

Lemmy hate comes down to two or three things: they don't like communists, or they're confused by it. Or they're waiting for it to be bigger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

That would require making a reddit account. Ew.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

No idea, quit Reddit over a year ago for fedia/lemmy. Never used x/twitter either, i use mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't [email protected] have like 40k subscribers? Top ten Lemmy community by sub count, iirc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Bingbingbing!

The people still exclusively on Reddit are on Reddit because they don't like the Fediverse or they're unwilling to change their habits. Had they liked it and been genuinely open for change they would have made the switch, or at least used both platforms.

This is not so much true for the average user, as they might not be aware of the federated alternatives at all, or they might think it sounds too hard. But it's absolutely true for the self-hosting community.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seems to me most people in that thread seems relatively open minded? The people dismissing Lemmy completely appears to be downvoted, and people seem to have a nuanced understanding that it's a better platform in theory but sadly less active.

I'm sure they're right. I'm a slow person who thinks there's plenty of activity over here, but if you're used to the adrenaline of Reddit it must feel a little small town-y.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

To be honest except on things like sports and politics, reddit kind of feels like a ghosttown too. So many posts with huge amounts of upvotes and like 2 bot generated comments. The power commenter types seem to have left after the exodus and been replaced by lots of people who scroll and like but don’t really venture much into comments.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Main reason is people are too lazy to change their ways and don’t want to feel like they’ve been making the wrong choice all along.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I am pretty sure most people are here for idealogical reasons so lack of things is a nothing burger for them.

Normies only care about ease of use and network effect. Until fediverse brings usability, we aint even compete for the network.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Normie here, Lemmy is pretty easy to use imo. I think the transition is happening now kinda like the Internet in the 90s or online dating in the 10's.

Ofc I just got here and I'm using Voyager.

A theory I have is that everyone who hates reddit eventually left leaving the milk bags brains. I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk and left when I saw my mod queue get exponentially worse. My friend told me it was because the decent people left for Lemmy.

Now I'm mod of [email protected] and it's sooooo much easier.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk

I used to lurk, thank you for your service 🫡

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The feel of Lemmy communities is a little different than Reddit, even if the software features are mostly analogous and there are many Redditisms used.

Your average commentor/poster will stand out more in a small community, there's less of being able to post and then slink away.

People have gotten used to a lot more comforting features of modern Reddit, Lemmy in both the users and in the software has more of a "Reddit 10-15 years ago" feel to it.

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