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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've already voted for her, but I don't believe her.

This is a vague plea for peace without any indication of what things she believes (and more importantly, publicly acknowledges) would be "in her power". Is the limit of her power sternly worded letters, arms embargoes, or intervention? Because I'm pretty sue she's not opening the door for US peacekeeping troops in Gaza, though that would be in her power (at least for a short term).

But like, with Harris we get to see if she's willing to do anything meaningful, and maybe as public sentiment continues to turn against Israel she'll be embarrassed enough to do something. It's not a hopeful position to shoot for, but it is technically better than the alternative, and there other issues at play where the difference is not so limited.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The campaign has been changing its tone depending on audience. In places like Michigan they're doing this, but outside seing districts they've been banging the war drums for Israel.

So the lack of faith in the messaging isn't without warrant.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (12 children)

We're not in a vacuum. Two things can be true. She can honestly be pro Israel but also hope the turds that are the Likud Party lose power, work to end the genocide, and find a two-state solution - that is, if Hamas and Bibi will allow it, which they won't.

This binary all-or-nothing, zero sum bs is just toxic and ignorant.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (18 children)

It's completely in her power to stop whitewashing a genocide and creating false equivalences by calling it a "war".

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago

Step 1: FOLLOW US LAW AND STOP GIVING THEM WEAPONS

Let's see if she ever gets this far. I am not holding my breath

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Seems a little too little too late for it to move the needle much, especially given how much early voting has happened. Harris’s position on Israel has been so bizarre, pretty sure Israel has even been actively working against Democrats this whole time anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 days ago (55 children)

All the one-issue voters: uhh... what now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I really wish she had been saying this before yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

Well, now Democrats will start coming up with excuses for why conditioning or ceasing arms sales to Netanyahu isn't within her power.

EDIT: I already voted for Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (16 children)

3rd party voters: "I'm not voting for Harris until she condemns the Gaza war!"

Harris: *says she condemns the Gaza war*

3rd party voters: *desperate scrambling sounds to find something else to be a single issue contrarian*


I'm really hoping I'm wrong about that, but I'm seeing it on this thread.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you been to a protest or talked to pro-Palestinian voices. The demand has always been to stop weapons shipments to Israel, even before October 7th. This isn't moving the goal posts, the goal posts have been there for decades, it's just both parties have and continue to ignore them.

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