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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reddit actions are tragic for the web. I can't even tell you how many times I searched something and typed Reddit at the end of the query. Not just because Reddit search SUCKS, but mostly because it's a gold mine of information. Especially for technical stuff.

Your game crash? Reddit. Weird bug on your laptop? Reddit. Looking for a cool app? Reddit. Have a weird question? Reddit.

Reddit saved me countless hours and headache. I felt that yesterday when doing a search about something without even putting Reddit on it, kept bringing up Reddit links. I'd click on it without reading and end up on a locked sub because of the blackout.

It sucks but I hope it's going to continue. But at the same time, I don't see Reddit backing down. And even lf they do? I'm not going back. Because how dare you? Like... screw you for even trying to pull that crap on your users.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Agree, but I think that's the point: this is the proof we have to switch to a different model. It will take time to replace Reddit as the huge information source it was (and to a certain extent still is), but I'm willing to hope it can happen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Reddit is the web we built. And fuck u/spez decided to give it away for money.

I miss Aaron Swartz and the open web. Let's rebuilt it again, on better foundations!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Try using ChatGPT if you haven't. Ive used Reddit in the past for a lot of troubleshooting, but ChatGPT is easier to get the answers I'm looking for unless I asked the question myself. But there's no judgement from ChatGPT lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Used chatgpt to rework my resume recently, holy shit that site is a godsend.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Am I the only one that's noticed how reddit has been fucking with web crawlers? They insert newer comments into older posts so the crawlers pick up false results.

A few years back they started injecting a "related posts" box into pages. What that does is multiply the amount of results a crawler will pick up. But all those are false results. There's only one true search result which is the original comment/post. Some times I find myself sifting though the search engine results to find the actual original post. The rest are completely worthless, off topic, reddit posts littering the search index.

I know all this blackout stuff hurts now. I see it as necessary for the platform to lose its status as the "front page of the internet". Reddit turned evil a long time ago. It's long past time it be deposed of.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That explains why the search page quotes a comment that doesn't exist on the post. That always confused me. It's insane how dependent on searching with "reddit" appended on the end of the search term I am. I have qualms as to how this'll bode for search engines if reddit loses interest or goes under.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I couldn’t understand how those changes back then crippling the user experience were “better” in any way, this explains a lot!

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

honestly we should have collectively realized way earlier that putting all the useful, readable, un-touched-by-SEO help content for basically every niche hobby fandom and ideology in the hands of one for-profit entity was not very wisdom-pilled of us

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I've said it numerous times over the years, the Internet has been centralizing rapidly and it benefits none of us.

In 2005 you'd wander around, going from peoples' personal pages to forums to whatever else people linked. In 2015 half of those websites were dead because everyone got their content on reddit anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we should have collectively realized way earlier

some people have, but whenever you'd mention it, you'd be met with "lol take the tinfoil hat off", "but we're already using [for-profit platform] why would we move when everyone's here" and "but it's haaaaaaard".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Source: https://xkcd.com/743/

The fact that the alt-text directly mentions Diaspora is more than amusing in this context

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

we can still easily fall into this trap if there isn't a good way to migrate communities between instances. And even if we could just take /c/[email protected] and move the whole thing to /c/[email protected] or something, that would still break all the indexers' links

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I agree, but I also have serious concerns about this being the replacement strategy. It could be because of my ignorance of how this all works though. Like many of you, I am new and here because of the reddexodus.

These servers are going to cost money, and for many of them the money will run out. Is there a function to preserve the collective content of an entire server once it goes dark? I know that you can migrate your own account to another server, but what happens to everything Google has indexed at Lemmy.world if the worst happens? Is it all just dead links? What if many of the users do not migrate? Is it just gone?

I am concerned that in the current state we are setting up to burn everything that loses a couple admins or becomes too old to economically host.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was on a mastodon server and the owner decided it was not worth his money to keep running. He did not inform anyone on the server or allow any account backups and all was lost.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

With federated services, I feel like it's somewhat important to get to know the admins of the server you use. You don't have to be best friends, but at least know their name, motivation for running the server, and how it's funded.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tacking "Reddit" onto search queries almost became a prerequisite. Never imagined I'd have to replace that with "-Reddit".

It's made researching a media centre setup very difficult this week...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give it some time, people will get comfortable here, the revolution dust will settle an we will be adding ‘-Reddit “Lemmy”’ to search queries (fingers crossed!)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But how would this work with broader federation? Searching other instances like beehaw or kbin? We'll needan new search optimization to search the fediverse more efficiently.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This has been deeply frustrating, but since that's the whole point, I support this collective inconvenience.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Google Search has been sucking for quite a long time.

"site:old.reddit.com" was just a temporary fix

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This also highlights the problem with a lot of communities moving to Discord, which inevitably ends up as repositories for critical information, but can't be indexed by Google. Reddit is still valuable as a problem solving resource, and I hope they fix this API fiasco.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

For many people google (or whatever engine) was just a gateway to get informations on reddit. With all those sub reddits down at the moment, a lot of searches are really hard to get informations, because like it, or not, reddit is a big part of getting informations or opinions etc.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think it's more appropriate to say that internet searches in general had been getting worse over the last several years, but it just so happened to be the case that your answer could likely be found in a reddit thread.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've actively found this as well but honestly, I think it's for the best because most of the time Reddit posts with actual answers aren't well-cited. So if anyone asks how you know something, "uhh Reddit told me" is pretty weak. So Google is getting better because Reddit has gotten worse. It means that you have to go to the actual articles and find the actual sources instead of this daisy chain of information. We have a huge issue with misinformation and this actually helps resolve it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait you use reddit posts to inform yourself on things where misinformation is possible? I also was mildy inconvenienced by the blackouts but it was mostly related to programming stuff, where it is very obvious if an answer is wrong. I don't think I would even consider using reddit as a source for anything factual

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s why I used shreddit to delete all my posts and comments on Reddit. It’s not much, but if everyone does it Reddit will feel the repercussions. They won’t benefit from my content anymore.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't want to take away ressources from people who will look into Monero in the future :/

In the past I commented many explanations when people asked for help and I don't want someone to find a thread with a question and deleted comment with a "Thanks!" reply. I guess a script to change all my past comments into something along the lines of "Removed. In case this was a support-related comment, feel free to ask for help on monero.town" could work?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes me want to go back and edit my posts to f*** /u/spez because I don't want them getting traffic off of my content. But also don't want that entire collection of human data gone if everyone did the same.

Too bad we can't all export and reconstruct our conversations here somehow.

My posts are 99% shitposts anyway, so it doesn't really matter, nothing constructive to mankind.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Do it. Use "Power Delete Suite", it has an option to edit comments before deleting everything.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Wait until Google bots catch up and drop many of the links back to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm considering switching to Kagi because of this. Its results are impressive.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Had this happen today. Was searching for some programming related stuff and top pages are all inaccessible Reddit posts.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

About 4 people at work Monday discovered the blackouts and learned the reason from following Google results. I'd say that shows the effectiveness of the protest. That's 4 individuals that I work with personally who wouldn't have known otherwise about the api problem that now do. I can only imagine how many people are in that same boat.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hopefully it will help people realise that a profit motive being attached to everything is actually counterproductive societally.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, working as intended. It's probably affecting people more than reddit themselves. Hope the content draught continues though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It is - but you can still access via archive.org and similar resources.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I've definitely felt like my Google searches have been lackluster after a lot of subreddits went dark. from advices to game communities, it sucks to check other forums you have no knowledge of browsing or worse shudders quora

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are lemmy instances indexed properly as well? Would it be enough to put "lemmy" into the search

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The federated nature of instances unfortunately might nerf the SEO because they're from different domains. Google wouldn't value instance_1. com more because the clicks to related_instance_2. com are higher.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I've made a bad habit of attaching the word "reddit" to the end of too many of my searches even for questions that I should be looking for their answers in trusted sources instead of taking answers from random redditors the blackout has helped a little with avoiding that.

[–] veryreal_user 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've run into this several times already

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just add “forum” to the back of my search

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Before reddit removed them most of this compiled knowledge was in the subreddit wikis. I honestly believe a return to communities with wikis is the long term replacement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It would be interesting if Fediverse platforms made an external wiki for discoverability. A big shared community resource all in one place.

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