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I've just been reading about how in the future, AI will allow us to speak with animals, and people will be able to communicate telepathically and live in their own VR worlds. (etc., etc.)

Man, this isn't a world I want to live in. I'm so tired of the constant paradigm shifting that you have to put your brain through with each innovation. I wish technology just stayed frozen in the 1980s – there would be so much less uncertainty in my life and I could just focus on being a human.

Innovation keeps being forced on you and I just feel tired. >!And I'm only just in my 20s!< Is this ok? Is this valid? When resisting it is a loser's game...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So, AI allowing us to speak with animals, people being able to communicate telepathically, people able to live entirely in their own VR worlds?

At best, those are pipedreams, at worst they are bullshit sales pitches that will either never happen for products that can't possibly work safely or as imagined.

You can't talk to animals if they don't even have their own languages.

Telepathy? As in mind to mind direct interface? Sure, talk to the people with exoskeletons or bionic eyes that can no longer be hardware or software maintained. Or you know all the Neurolink monkies and pigs that went insane and died of infection or bashing their heads into walls until they killed themselves.

... Or you could just text things to people or call them.

Live entirely in a VR world? Sure, there's two ways to almost do that:

  1. Be extraordinarily wealthy such that you can afford butlers and a home that you never need to leave.

  2. Oh you're poor? Well you can remote operate an android and be a robot butler or industrial worker.

...

From my point of view, there has been technological progress, but very little of it is aimed at meaningfully improving the average person's life, introducing some game changing systemic, society spanning thing that makes some very important, very costly thing, far far less expensive... in about a decade or so.

We got to the point where basically any office job can be done remotely... and nope, can't switch to a remote work paradigm because then commercial real estate market collapses and middle managers don't need to exist anymore.

We've had EVs for a while now... turns out their only marginally better for the environment, and more expensive. The real needed change is a switch to whoah remote working, combined with redesigning cities to have more extensive mass transit.

I don't know if you've played Stellaris, but in that game you have 3 simultaneous tech trees: Societal, Engineering, and Theoretical Physics.

In the last two decades we've made progress in the latter, and basically none in the former.

Well, we have the science to back up things like better social safety nets, UBI, better work life balance, reliable and affordable healthcare.... but we don't implement it.

Technology can drive politics, and politics can drive technology.

Our politics are capitalist. Tech is basically only implemented toward increasing profit. And almost always only in the short term. And almost always as cost saving measures, instead of actually improving a product.

Innovation feels like its being forced on us... because it is. Top Down. Adapt or Die. And... that's not really innovation anyway.

We could live in a social order that treats employees as investments, trains them, pays for that training.

Instead, we are costs. We are disposable. Its up to us to keep learning on our own time and dime, even though literally no one has any idea what specific skills will be needed next.

... I'm getting a bit rambly here, but my basic point is that we haven't had any meaningful major breakthroughs that improve the common person's life in a while.

Everything meaningful and new is aimed at the wealthy or ultra wealthy, as consumers, or as owners.

Everything else is 'pay in time or money to learn or use this new system or standard or else you're unemployable.'

If we did somehow invent a groundbreaking invention, like humanoid automatons with their own, self contained, ability to replace most human workers... the wealthy would just stop employing us, let us die.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

This is exactly how the 90s felt when the dotcom bubble was building and moores law was in high effect.

Every 6 months your computer components were obsolete

256MB hardrives! Holy shit sooo much space!

Whaaaaaat 1GB drives?!? Daaaaamn

Whoa whoa whoa CdRom? Blink I can write to cds? Whats this + - business?! Sneeze, holy shit you can rewrite a cdnow?!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

ITT: people hating on capitalism and its grip on technology.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. Great engineering is, if you can do more with less. What was the last time you have seen that in software?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

30 years ago, I had to spend 40 hours a week working. Decades later with all the software improvements, I have to work 40 hours a week

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It could be a sign that you’re too surrounded by the stuff. I used to always be tech & specs obsessed. It was like I viewed the world through the lens of technology because that was going to make new things possible.

But then in recent years, my relationship with tech has changed and I am better for it. It’s less core to my personal existence even though it is just as handy as ever and my life is full of screens.

It starts to sound like cliches and platitudes, but most of what makes the world beautiful and life worthwhile has not changed. Seriously just spending a lot of time outside and with the people that matter to me produce undeniable results, even if I have to drug myself to kickstart the process. But after doing that a few times, being mindful and intentional about the whole process being for positive outcomes, I start not just looking forward to those occasions but prioritizing time & money to help.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. Much of the technological improvement I’ve seen in the last 20 years isn’t real meaningful. Smartphones don’t make my life better. A 60” flat screen 4k TV doesn’t make movies any better. My 2019 Jeep gets worse gas mileage than my 1978 Gremlin. Plane rides are worse. Ads cover everything I look at. We no longer own music we like to listen to

Was any of it good? Sure, but most of it is just garbage to generate more consumption

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Exactly. It's not 'progress' and yet oftentimes you're forced to go along with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think a problem here is that technological advancement and technological progress are not necessarily the same thing. I don't think that every new piece of technology that pushes us further into some kind of strange new world necessarily is good for humanity, or society, or even just the individual. I think this is some of what you're noting in your post here. Sure, on the whole the internet has probably been a net positive for Humanity, but one can't deny that at the same time there are a lot of strikingly negative aspects of the internet, and that it's further and seemingly endless encroachment on our lives is deleterious.

I think that as I've gotten older I've become a bit more technology averse, or at the least a bit more suspicious of technology, than I used to be as a child, and maybe part of that is becoming a father, but at the very least I can respect where you're coming from and I agree with you. It seems like our world is just a never-ending carousel of novelty and we're never allowed to just absorb and respect the things that we have before something new comes in and shifts the paradigm.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Those kinds of thoughts started creeping in during my mid 20s as well. Before that age everything is new and better because you don’t yet have the experience to know if something is just new but not better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I don't have a problem with technology advancing. I have a problem with the goal of all this new shit just being to extract more money out of me while providing as minimal product as possible. An easy example being smartphones. The potential in functionality for them is insane but I can't buy one today that doesn't have less features than my 2016 model and I'm constantly fighting permissions bullshit any time I try to do anything fancy with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Your feelings are of course valid, that's how you feel, and it's a perfectly normal thing. On the one hand technology keeps changing, but on the other hand people are trying to drum up money by selling promises of new technology as if it were snake oil.

All of the talk you hear about AI, it's 95% nonsense. Of course we can see some new cool toys, and we should be happy that we have new cool toys, but it's not like something totally magical has happened in the last 2 years, and it's not like something totally magical is going to happen in the next two years.

With all that in mind, you just got to take a break from the news, whenever you feel like it, and try to be open-minded about what the future will bring. A couple of decades from now is certainly going to be different from a couple of decades ago, and although that can be scary at times, remember that the same thing was true for our parents and their parents and their parents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I think it's valid to feel this way. Even so, it's impossible to stop the progress of time. You just have to find a way to balance this in your life. You don't have to stay up to date in everything, either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It fucking sucks. I used to be excited about tech too, but now I just dread what they will come up with next. Because it's all about spying on everyone now, and taking away freedoms. Literally 1984.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you'd appreciate The Prisoner. One of the core themes of that show is the misuse of technology by the ruling class

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Cyberpunk authors have been introducing progress-hostile/'go back to the past' movements and factions since the 80s, arguably it's older than cyberpunk-style technology itself (cyberpunk-style technology definitely being a thing that already exists, arguably since the www-internet but nowadays with VR, AI and electronically enhanced prostetics we're definitely getting into the flashier stuff). And remember that the cyberpunk genre paints the future as bleak, in terms of how the common people live most cyberpunk worlds are clear downgrades compared to the actual 1980s.

And e.g. the amish rejected the industrial revolution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Amish are a good point. Unfortunately being a Luddite gets quite logistically hard of you still want to be part of society

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, and the amish aren't exactly a positive example in terms of personal freedom, especially for women and queer people. Though those were never their goals anyway, so a more modern luddite community might be nicer to live in.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I had that feeling at some point, and then I just stopped reading news about technology. No more news about the fancy new storage device, no news about exotic mobile displays etc. I just read about science stuff in general. It’s more delightful to read what astronomers have found on the moons on Saturn or what microbiologists have found at the bottom of the Mariana trench. I felt much better after adjusting my news diet.

You’re probably reading stuff that makes you tired. Try to identify what that is, and avoid that sort of material. For me, it was tech news.

BTW, if you have a tendency to get tired of this stuff, try to avoid conflict news. That would just make you sad, angry and anxious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah it is totally valid. Actually just came across someone that was talking about something similar to this.

https://youtu.be/S1ypWcqnojM

Edit: The main idea was that we as humans tend to get trapped in something called progress traps where as we advance technology we use that advance to over exploit our environment leading us to more problems down the line.

~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

If i could freeze technology at a particular era it wouldn't be the 80s. I think i would pick some time after social media existed but before it was weaponized. So like maybe early 2010's. Up through about the early 2010s it seemed like tech was constantly making life better, but since then it seems like tech is increasingly making life worse

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Agreed, I have a Thinkpad T440p and I love it. Consider that your problem though may not be about technology but perhaps consumerism and the underlying economic reasons that makes us tired and depressed despite everything being "better".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The future is tied to big companies and subscribing to thier services. I would love to get a smart watch for my health checks. I love the circle to search from anywhere on your phone screen (samasung phones). I would love to try those ray bans AR glasses. But I will almost never get to use them because that means signing my data away to make big companies bigger.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The bicycle might have been a good place for us to stop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I don't know about how "normal" that might be but you're feelings are valid. You also can't stop progress. People are hardwired to make crazy new stuff and we're really good at it.

But just because it exists doesn't mean you have to use it. You can live a rich, full life even living like the Amish or other in low tech environments. The Mininites (like the amish but with phones and cars and computers) only adopt technology that benefits them and thier community. They live more primitively than most of the global north mostly for religious reasons, but there is wisdom in focusing on gizmos, gadgets, and software that improve your life in some way and ignoring what doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What's important is individual choice. You should keep systems that exhaust you at arms length, & integrate systems that benefit you into your life. Everyone should have options for structuring their life to suit their idiosyncratic needs.

Edit: Also, keep in mind that news orgs make money by showing you technological failures.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Change is hard, but necessary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I would agree change is hard. And I believe change is inevitable. But is all of it really necessary?

We are self-aware beings that can evaluate what technology has done and is going to do to individuals and society at large. Metrics for attention span, reading comprehension, social connection, and many more things are trending in damgerous directions already. Some change is not necessary and is objectively doing more harm than good.

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