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Some of the very worst of the worst liberal takes, apologia for fascist shit, and of course cryptobro grifts and even Tesla worship keep coming from there. It's fucked.

I don't want to say all programmers or tech workers are like that, but I don't like what I've seen so far from people with a .programming suffix on their names. disgost

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's definitely not all. Of the 2 friends I know in tech plus my brother, I've seen the opposite. Online though? Honestly, as someone who has an account here and an account on another Lemmy instance, I think the biggest issue is age.

I think that there are a lot of older programmers on here that hold some of the same views but are scared of words like "Marxist" and "communism" and it's hard to deprogram that.

It's probably the biggest issue between hex and a large chunk of Lemmy. As a zoomer, I get the shitposting on hexbear, even if I'm still very new here and don't understand every reference. But I can't imagine being older and seeing all of this stuff. I don't think a lot of the younger programmers know or Care about lemmy.

But also yeah sometimes there are dudes that are "brand loyal" and "car guys" on here. But again, old dudes, so who cares what they think about anything?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a millenial programmer, I think you're spot on. The previous gen and some of the older millenials still remember the old internet of chat rooms, forums, IRC, etc. Lemmy and Reddit are very similar. It's familiar and nostalgic and I think ends up drawing more of the older crowd. Older non-programmers are stereotypically not really tech savvy enough or don't have that old nostalgia driving them to use Lemmy. That may be why you see this behavior more from that community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@[email protected] what are your intentions when making posts like this?

I took a programming job because it is my primary skill, and I needed insulin so I wouldn't die. I was 40k in medical debt and couldn't even get a goddamn apartment.

My fellow workers, programmers and engineers, labor to survive. They're not likely to warm to Socialism when they see terminally online takes like this. Why would they?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read again.

I wasn't talking about programmers in general in this thread; I was talking about the distinct number of reactionary and horrid right-wing takes from people with the .programming.dev suffix after their user names coming from the federated spaces.

I have argued many times in the past that tech workers are still workers even if it's unfortunate that too many fall into reactionary ideology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Consider your rhetoric, and the reactions caused:

I don't want to say all programmers or tech workers are like that

I don't think you intend it, but this otherizes a group of us workers. It's not just "wtf is up with programming.dev," but instead this now plants the idea that maybe there's something wrong with this group, specifically. Not just that there's an issue with some random Lemmy instance.

Look at the reactions, the culture this kind of post creates:

Engineers are vastly over-represented among extremists

Also on the business side of things it's filled with the worst people imaginable and if you survive your first year or 2 you select for the people that are willing to put up with the worst people imaginable.

It is common for STEM folks to have a reductive world view

As a programmer, I'm here to say that my people are not alright.

The ugly truth is that IT has always been an industry that caters towards the worst of the bourgeoisie

And so on, and so forth. At the core, otherization and division. And I don't think a majority of the assertions in this thread are even remotely true.

To be clear, I don't think you or anyone in this thread means ill by it. But this thread, and threads like it, frustrate me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Are you blaming me for other people's replies?

At this point, this sounds like bad faith or even concern trolling for me.

I'll turn it around, just in case it is not: you're apparently blaming me for deliberately "otherizing" the people you identify with. I could, just as easily, cite decades of "otherizing" non-STEM students and non-STEM (especially non-TE) workers as "underwater basket weavers" "plebians" and a few other trendy condescending titles that amounted to "the ruling class pays them less therefore they are intrinsically less valuable people" ideology.

If you're going to blame me for replies like that, it really does cut both ways.

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