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Did 1.4 billion Chinese achieving poverty alleviation cut into Washington’s cake? (www.globaltimes.cn)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Read a great book recently analysing British and American imperial ambitions and how in the early 20th century they were competing over China. In earlier periods Britain was competing with other rival european imperial powers for it (Century of Humil. and all that). Massive population, huge market for goods.

The CPC really fucked with all their plans. If the KMT had won the war like the west really wanted, the China would be a neo-colony today. Most likely, all those western liberal wet dreams of a balkanised China would come to fruition.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Exactly, the fact that the west wasn't able to turn China and Russia into colonies is why they're still seething today.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by “balkanised”? I’ve never seen it used as a verb before and would like you to expand on what you mean a bit.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It generally means turned into a bunch of competing nation states, often left unable to collectively defend their mutual interests because they're all competing against each other.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see now, thanks for explaining. I feel pretty balkanised already and I live in the imperial core.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Adding to what keepcarrot said, the term originates from the breaking up of Yugoslavia into various rump states (Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Croatia, etc.) in southeast Europe.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The CPC really fucked with all their plans.

As a source of easily exploited cheap labor, sure. But as a modern industrial powerhouse, it has - if anything - breathed continued life into a financialized consumerism that should have choked to death 40 years ago. China as the manufacturing hub of the world guarantees a steady supply of nearly-at-cost textiles, electronics, plastics, and steel that financialized exporters can then mark up 100-1000%. And its industrial exports are central to the further expansion of manufacturing in surrounding Pacific Rim / Indian Ocean nations, such as Indonesia and Malaysia and Pakistan and Australia.

None of this works without China's industrial growth. Which is why NATO states simply can't quit The Middle Kingdom. Their economists know just as well as the folks in Beijing that the West needs Chinese high efficiency manufacturing and logistics far more than China needs Western credit exchanges and information hubs.

If the KMT had won the war like the west really wanted, the China would be a neo-colony today.

If the KMT had survived in Shanghai, we'd likely still see an "Eastern China" divorced from the coast in a state of revolutionary resistance not unlike Communists in Northern India and Kashmir or the post-Cold War "rogue states" of Vietnam and Korea and Nicaragua and Cuba and Iran and Syria and Afghanistan and now Niger and Mali and Burkina Fasao.

But the KMT wasn't a stable sovereign entity. They couldn't even keep control in Taiwan, ffs. They'd have had to keep putting out popular revolts resulting from their deplorable economic policies. Maybe they could have kept Hong Kong or Shanghai in a semi-permanent Singapore-esque state. But they'd never have achieved the kind of industrial renaissance and productivity boom of the Deng reform government. They certainly wouldn't have the kind of broad social mandate enjoyed by Xi Jinping.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's been more than just pure recycled cold war bullshit, they hate China because it's an example of non-whites "outshining the master" so to speak. There was similar nail-biting about Japan taking over in the 70s despite them being capitalist, because people were afraid of a world where it wasn't a 'white' nation on top, let alone where white people have non-white peers.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I expect the propaganda to become even more untethered from reality as it becomes impossible to hide that China has surpassed the US. The same way that Zionist propaganda is failing with all the videos of IOF getting fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I expect the propaganda to become even more untethered from reality as it becomes impossible to hide that China has surpassed the US.

Especially now that they're spending upwards of US$ 600million a year on anti-China propaganda

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Their hatred for it has less to do with racial animus (a flourish to their anxieties) and more to do with the terror of being outcompeted and thus losing jobs, influence, the future etc.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

We hate them for their freedoms

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

why are they still saying the "2nd largest economy" when obv china #1

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

True measures of an economy are arbitrary price mark ups and rent seeking. USA #1!