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[–] [email protected] 137 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Guys... what if our racist, sexist bully acts like a racist, sexist bully?"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When a mange riddled deranged old wolf comes out of sheep's clothing... News as 11.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

The crazy part is that he has never worn sheep's clothing.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So... They gonna send someone else or what?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I mean, they are sending a convicted felon against a former prosecutor.

They are not sending their best people, as many people say.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My thoughts exactly, they might as well put a sofa and JD Vance on the Republican side and send thoughts and prayers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Actually, I'm willing to believe he IS their best people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It’s totally weird.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure they are not sending their best. When looking at people like Ron de Santis or Mike Johnson, I actually like the idea of them sending an imbecile into the race instead of a crazy but potentially capable candidate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Capable of what? DeSantis showed during the primary that he was incapable of getting the voters on his side, and Mike Johnson couldn't even get the representatives from his own party to vote for him. Trump is the best they've got.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I hope he completely loses his temper and lashes out, making a complete ass of himself. Kamala is tougher than him and can handle it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Remember, everybody thought the last debate was going to be a cakewalk for Biden. All he had to do was show up and not look like a sundowning dementia patient. And look how that turned out.

Harris may be able to "handle it" in that he's not going to get her all worked up where she'll break down and cry or something. But will she be able to hold her own on the debate floor? She is untested in that realm and her rally speeches show that she's still not the most confident public speaker, and I could see a situation where Trump just doesn't allow her to get a word in edgewise. Even if he says nothing but his usual incoherent word salads, if he can essentially bully her into silence by just throwing her off with his usual interruptions, firehoses of lies, and shouting down her responses, it could bolster his strongman persona, play to his mysoginist base by "putting her in her place", and give some independent voters the impression that she can't keep up.

Like I said, Harris hasn't been tested. Arguing in a courtroom is one thing when there's a judge who can keep the opposition in check and has the ability to enforce it. It's different when it's moderators who are toothless and can't or won't do anything about Trump who doesn't give a shit about the rules at all. And her continuing uneasiness when she gives rally speeches in front of friendly crowds makes me wonder how she'll handle someone who's game plan is literally to make her look like she belongs back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

Harris' game plan right from the beginning is that he goes to the debate and just lashes out. That's why she wanted the open mics. But like I said before, Biden got the debate he wanted on his terms and it ended up ending his campaign. Hopefully Harris isn't making the same mistake.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What's even worse, I worry that Harris may be getting coached to try to thread the needle between getting words in edgewise and not opening herself up to accusations of sounding "shrill," which is probably literally impossible.

Personally, I think her best bet is to give zero shits about being called "shrill" or "nasty," address Trump with every bit as much of the insulting and contemptuous attitude as he tries to use on her while also calling out his bullshit directly and expressing coherent policy positions, and then -- crucially -- respond to anyone who calls her "shrill" afterwards by derisively laughing and mocking weak crybaby Trump for whining that he can't handle her.

Even then, it will be an incredible challenge for her to be perceived as the winner, no matter how much sh wipes the floor with him in any objective sense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I could see a situation where Trump just doesn’t allow her to get a word in edgewise. Even if he says nothing but his usual incoherent word salads, if he can essentially bully her into silence by just throwing her off with his usual interruptions, firehoses of lies, and shouting down her responses

You know they have closed mics. How do you think this situation possible?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump has a natrually loud voice and loves to shout. Even if his mic is muted, her mic will still pick up at least some of what he's saying. And viewers will still see he's saying something.

Plus, muted mics don't change the fact that she'll be sitting right near him and will be able to hear him. Even if the mics don't pick it up, he can still throw her off. Try talking to one person while you have another person shouting nonsense at full volume into your ear. That's what would be happening. Muted mics or no, Harris will try making her talking points and he'll just keep shouting just to throw her off. If her mics pick it up, he'll consider it a bonus.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s not his thing. He has zero interest in communicating anything to her that isn’t broadcast loudly. He’s all about the circus, the was never any substance there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He knows his base will still see it, even if they don't hear everything. That is what he cares about. Messaging the base. And his message is going to be to "put her in her place". He has absolute interest in portraying himself as the alpha male who does his own thing, rules and norms be damned. That's his whole brand.

And this is assuming that the moderators have a spine. Do you think they're going to actively shut his mic off if he goes past time? There's zero chance of that happening. Trump going off at random on a hot mic = ratings. Trump demanded no fact checking last time and he got it. They continually give in to Trump's demands because they want to continue having access to him, they don't want to be labelled as "fake news" in one of his tweets, and they know that his soundbytes generate attention, and therefore ratings, and therefore money.

There has never been an instance where Trump has been successfully corralled by debate moderators. I have no reason to believe that the next debate will magicallly be the first.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Actually the Harris campaign wanted the mics on and it was the Trump campaign that wanted them muted.

He knows his base will still see it, even if they don’t hear everything. That is what he cares about. Messaging the base.

And that's exactly why. His base is going to vote for him no matter what he does. If he wants to pander to the base, then let him. Harris will look good to moderates that are tired of their racist uncle going on rants during family get-togethers.

As it is, if Trump rants while his mic is muted it makes him look nuts. Sure his base will like it, but how many independent voters is he going to pick up from doing this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Harris was in debates during the Democratic primary in 2020 (her and Joe Biden got into it over his past voting record) and debated Mike Pence in the VP debate.

Also Trump's mic will be off when it's not his turn to speak. So he won't be able to interrupt her.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

A sound bite of him soiling himself on mic would be fun.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I’d love it if he got so raged out that he had a stroke on live tv.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Hopefully he blows a vein or two

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Saddest thing is nobody is going to watch this who hasn't already decided.

The people who voted for him in the last two elections, who would gladly lick the diaper leakage dribbling down his leg off his lifted loafers, will not watch this. They will watch the clips of Fox News sycophants highlighting the two or three gotcha lines and declare him the victor, regardless of his performance.

People on the fence will tune it out, as they have everything else, because they are absolute fucking morons who don't give a shit about anything outside their own sight line.

Harris supporters will confirm that she is a competent orator and debater who won against a gibbering human suitcase full of soiled laundry, and nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

nobody is going to watch this who hasn’t already decided

Exactly. Hillary cleaned his clock in the debates and lost. Professor Lictman has documented many debates where the election winner lost. Debates mean nothing. That said, there are other much more reliable factors and Professor Lictman has used them to predicted that Kamala Harris will win this election.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Thing is, Lictman predicted 2000 correctly but couldn't take into account supreme court fuckery. I'm less worried about winning than I am the fuckery.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mr. Trump plainly believes that Ms. Harris is unintelligent, advisers and allies say.

Coming from the guy that passed an Alzheimer’s test by knowing how to read a fucking clock. Trump is borderline retarded.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Well, let him run head-first into this trap of his own making. Let the nation decide when Harris can address all given issues with ease and coherent sentences while Trump produces random gibberish.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Being a trump advisor sounds like the most stressful and unfulfilling job imaginable. They should probably quit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they don't get fired first!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I would just hide away all the time so he doesn't ever think of me enough to fire me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They're falling over themselves to suck his dick. None of those people is in any way compelled to do what they're doing. None of them deserves the slightest bit of pity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, but let me dream that someday enough competent people quit that his entire political apparatus simply crumbles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

They certainly don't get paid ~~enough for for this shit~~

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She gonna light his ass up regardless. Looking forward to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He’s gonna light his own ass up and she is just going to sit silently while he screams like a little boy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think when he starts going off and the spittle starts flying out of his mouth she should interrupt and ask that someone put up a shield in front of him or put a mask on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haha. A mask. That would be a hilarious moment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe strap him to a trolley

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

We will probably see some good ads the day before the debate to get him riled up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I have no intention of watching this. I am going to watch the Walz/ Vance debate. That will be entertaining.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Harris should wheel a loveseat out onto the stage, and when asked about it, say “oh, I was just trying to help my opponent’s running mate feel more relaxed and comfortable”

Like, holy fuck, can you imagine how hilarious it would be if she just went full troll and started needling him with oblique, subtle jabs? Not saying it’s a good idea considering how dumb our median voter is. But it would be quite funny.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not at all sure he can play "tough". It's a lot easier to do when not actually facing the opponent. I predict that he'll attempt to make a joke of it all and complain about something irrelevant. Unless of course he's all drugged up. Then nobody can predict how fucking weird he's going to be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I think they just mean he's going to be shouting and borderline, if not outright, sexist and racist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

As opposed to what?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We know that Trump will be there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Physically, anyway. Mentally? Depends on how late in the evening it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Do we? Has he firmly committed to not being there?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This sounds more like a brag coming from the Right. “It’d be a damn shame if Trump showed up and bullied Kamala at the debates, I sure hope that doesn’t happen! (wink)(wink)”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

They spelled mentally incompetent bullshitter wrong.

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