The American people have spoken, and have agreed on a law that disqualifies them. Lets put it to a vote and see if we should change that law?
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The equation in my mind is, is this guy just trying to show that he’s a Republican team player, or does he actually think that some of Trump’s cult might vote for him if Trump isn’t on the ballot? Or maybe he’s holding on to a hope that if his former boss can stay out of jail long enough to get the nomination, that he might get his old job back?
All bad choices.
So, the first thing to remember about a conservative is that their beliefs aren't based on anything more than what they want. Conservatives build their ideology around their identity, not the other way around. It's certainly not based on rational thought or reality. A conservative decides what is good for them personally, and then looks for ideas and causes that support themselves.
To answer your question, Pence wants to remain relevant. Trump, like it or not, has a devoted following of die-hard supporters. Pence wants to be in the race long enough to have a crack at being the second choice should Trump's legal woes keep him off the ballot. What Pence says and what Pence believes are entirely unrelated.
Fwiw many people applaud Pence for not caving to the pressure from Trump to try to subvert the electoral process. I don't. Pence had neither the authority nor the will to make Trump the winner of the election. Pence did what was best for Pence, and had he attempted to interfere, he would have been equally unsuccessful and would now be considered a coconspirator. I doubt he imagined Trump would still have a loyal following, but that's just because I think Pence is also kind of stupid.
Politics is about perception. Trump voters perceive Pence as the guy who failed them. He wants people to perceive him as the responsible adult during the Trump administration, doing his duty as a Republican and as VP. He also wants donors to perceive him as an influential leader, so they keep giving him money. Of course none of those things are true, so for an outside observer trying to parse the logic of his situation, it's a bit of a play within a play within a bowl of vomit.
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That needs to be left to the American people
whenever they say something like this you know they're fucking as many people as they can
Pence is being blamed for Trump not being successful in his coup, and his numbers show it. What else does Pence have? Roe V Wade? Voters are furious about that, too. Republicans are trying to save their asses on this overreach, too. Pence is on the wrong side of everything. Maybe it's a sign.
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In other words: I like the two-tier justice system and see no reason why a traitor shouldnt be president. God what a spineless sycophant.
spineless
So this is why he is not afraid of "Hang Mike Pence!" chants.
Let's put everything up to a direct popular vote. Just direct democracy. Why does Congress get to overrule the "will of the American people" when it makes laws?
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How does Mike Pence have any donors? I mean literally who would give him money? He's not even trying to win. Clearly he's not you don't try to win and then do this for your biggest opponent. I mean most of them aren't trying to win. This entire Republican primary is basically just a fundraising endeavor to furnish their own private lavish lifestyles.
If the crimes didn't include insurrection I'd agree with him. It seems we've carved out a specific exemption for that.
Aren’t elected officials supposed to represent the people? Why don’t they just do their jobs?
The fact that Pence can turn around and start sucking off of Trump again, even after Trump literally tried to have him lynched for doing his job, shows how spineless the Republicans really are
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I mean, if it was a convicted-for-shoplifting situation, and the person had completed the sentence, that would be one thing. But this? Even seeing it from halfway across the world, what happened was shocking.
Okay, then YOU should be disqualified alongside him, you Vanilla Tic-Tac.
If the people want to elect a convicted criminal, disqualifying him isnt going to solve the real problem you have
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He didn't accept it last time the American people rejected him.
Bro they want to murder you!
So brave
This is a level of over-the-top milquetoast fence-sitting that only Mike Pence can achieve...
The Republicans are a fucking caricature of themselves, I swear.
Not related to the headline/article, I'd just like to comment on funniness the picture, from left to right: confused disbelief, dismissive disbelief, indignant disbelief. Much furrowing of brows, such concern.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit."
- W.C. Fields
I mean Pence decided not to leave it to the American people when Trump encouraged them to hang him. He ran away and hid.