While still being a NATO dog? Interesting
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My expectation is that NATO's days are numbered. Essentially, NATO serves as a protection racket spearheaded by the United States. With China emerging as the main rival for America, while their proxy conflict with Russia falters, Europe is destined to be discarded so that the US can redirect its focus towards Asia. Turkey, sensing an impending shift in global dynamics, is now diversifying its alliances.
Also it seems they are finally entirely disillusioned about their accession to EU.
Oh yeah, I don't think anybody with a functioning brain thinks Turkey would ever get into the EU. At this point, it's not even clear what the benefit would be either given that EU is imploding.
I don't think this is true. Turkey has been playing both sides for a long time, and this is just another step in that direction. But NATO is still resilient unfortunately.
Turkey absolutely likes to play both sides, but I can't see how NATO survives without the US being committed to it. Meanwhile, the US has to pick its battles because it can't be everywhere at once. And China is now a far bigger concern for US than Europe is.
NATO is an instrument of US hegemony. I can't imagine they'd stop committing to it. They know there are too many who think Russia is a threat to them and will just do whatever to keep NATO alive. I don't think US would want to let go of something so useful to them.
At the end of the day the US doesn't see Russia as a primary threat, and they lack the resources to both fund NATO and threaten China. With the war in Ukraine having been lost, I expect that the US will leave Europe to deal with the fallout and refocus on Asia. If the war achieved its goals of accomplishing a regime change in Russia or even Balkanizing it, then it would be a different story. The US would absolutely invest into NATO to surround China from the west at that point. However, now that Russia has come out stronger, it would just be throwing good money after bad from US perspective.
Essentially, NATO serves as a protection racket
what
NATO is essentially a gang of Imperialist countries combining strength to maintain their Imperialist status militarily.
even if that was an accurate description of nato, that's not an accurate description of a protection racket
It is both. NATO spreads in a rent-seeking manner.
no it isn't, and also, it's rent-seeking by having countries ask to join? yes this makes sense
That's the same logic as saying Capitalism is voluntary because workers agree to work for their wages. Such analysis sees the subservience in a vacuum devoid of external pressures or developmental practices.
in this case the external pressure is a rogue state doing a cheeky land grab on its neighbor
i'm not sure why that's nato's fault, although i'm very excited that you're about to tell me
NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied. The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.
Regardless of whether or not you believe Russia's invasion of Ukraine is justified or villianous, it was provoked by NATO expansion, as admitted by NATO leaders themselves.
NATO didn't start after 2022, many of its leaders were Nazi officers and it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy.
You can't argue with these people. I'm starting to learn the hard way.
There is literally an entire "argument" under this comment between these two lmao wtf are you on about
Dah, comrade