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[–] [email protected] 108 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I mean, third time’s the charm……. Right? 😳

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Eh. Germany weren't the colossal dickheads in WWI that they were in WWII. Frankly most of Europe had a part to play in sparking the first one.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

WW1 was just a massive dick measuring contest.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

A bunch of inbred royal fucks beefing over turf.

Which aptly describes basically every war in European history, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kaiser Wilhelm was:

Expansionist and irredentist

Fervently anti-democracy

Rabidly anti-semitic

Trying to secure overseas colonies to exploit for resources

The Third Reich was the Second Reich without a noble class to fuck things up with inbreeding. It's hardly surprising, a culture can't change completely in the span of a couple decades.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (8 children)

That's pretty much the European median for the time.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As long as the trains running time...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

This time, the populists want to abolish trains.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Funny thing being, the nazis weren't good at running the infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mom, can we get Nazis?

No we have Nazis at home.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd much rather have the idiot kind of nazis than the 1930s kind.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How the hell do you think it starts‽ In the 20s with complete idiot nazis

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That last time it started by Germany losing WW1 badly and getting a bit of shit handed to them. I don't think anything comparable is happening right now. Germany is a stable liberal democracy with stable instutitions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Germany is a stable liberal democracy with stable instutitions.

For now.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Our "Verfassungsschutz": "Watch out! They plan to overthrow the current system!!"

AfD voter: "Yeah, but the migrants"

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I'd go even further. The AfD threatens the current (democratic) system. Most AfD voters vote for them for this exact reason. They want to "enact revenge" on a system they feel left behind by IMO.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"democracy doesn't let me be racist enough, we should get rid of it"
~average AfD voter

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

"Them rich folks of the AfD keep telling me that democracy made me poor and jobless. They are also telling me that they'll bring back jobs, by removing all them immigrants. Guess I'll vote for them."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Who should I vote for after unhinged leoliberal capitalism made my life worse?

  • Socialists: Vote for me, so I can tax the rich and spend money on programs to help workers like you
  • Fascist: Vote for me, I promise to deport some brown people (but in reality I will just cut the taxes of rich people and be friendly with Russia)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Just proves again that we should deport AfD voters instead

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm really worried that the Verfassungsschutz talks and talks about the dangers the AfD poses, but they seemingly won't actually do anything and I suspect by now it's too late to prohibit them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it sucks. A party can't be forbidden in Germany if it's not "relevant enough"... But when they are relevant, it might be too late.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They have been "relevant enough" for a very long time now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but the Verfassungsschutz was sabotaged by Maaßen half of the time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

And AFD won't "send migrants back" because that would remove their favorite Boogeyman. Expect don't symbolic tinkering and not that much more, otherwise they have to start all over again with another minority to blame. It won't improve these people's economic situation. EU exit and austerity is back on the menu with AFD.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (5 children)

People in the comments attacking AfD voters as racists and rightly. However, no one wakes up one day and decide to be a racist from now on. There are reasons why these extremists gain political support and they draw it from a pool of people of which some wouldn't even consider voting for them a few years ago. This shift reflects a social sentiment that everyone seems to be ignoring.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

No one is ignoring the global sentiment. We get it, capitalists are fucking everything to squeeze every cent out of us and a few idiots get conned into blaming brown people instead.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Sooo they turn into racist slowly? That's still not cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Fair point, I think we know it, just our politicians keep ignoring it. The elites backing moderate governments would rather see fascists on the throne, than to have a democratic, true leftist government.

Socialism endangers capitalism, fascism doesn’t.

The solution is definitely not ridicule and mocking, but it’s also not appeasing fascists. Anybody who wants to destroy democracy, has no place in a democracy. In the short term, we should ensure fascist don’t get to power by whatever means necessary, and in mid-/long term, we should enact social changes that decrease the support of these radicals.

Tbh I’m not sure this is possible peacefully (or at all), and maybe another world war will happen - though not because of Germany, more likely China/Rusia, maybe US if things go bad.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So, no one bothers to learn lessons from history any more...? Hmmm.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Issue is, they just change a few bits around to fool the people that are uneducated about the subject. I'm from Hungary, and one history teacher of mine taught me that Nazis did things for the sake of being evil, one other said "it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus". Once you associate bigotry with being evil, any dumb rationale can make it look not evil in the eyes of these people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

it was a punishment for the Jews killing Jesus

This is peak logic. Glorify Jesus becasue "he died for our sins" but demonize Jews for killing him... Bitch, if they didn't kill him you lack key aspect of your religion!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They think history is based and also lies and also rad as hell and should definitely be repeated. But that bad mustache man should win this time.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (6 children)

It can't be as bad as it sounds, right?

Right?

Fuck.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They probably aren’t literally Hitler. But there is a lot of damage and awful shit they can do in between reasonable and Hitler. And they are much further towards the latter than anyone should be comfortable with.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Here is the (non final) result for anyone to lazy to check themselves:

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hicks exist in every country.

Sometimes they drive fancy cars.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hicks exist in every country. They don't always exist in the form of a "bring back the policies that destroyed our country the last time around" political party though.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Jesus Christ, Germany, figure it out.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Lets see how keen Germany is on stopping fascism in its borders again or if they’ll ooh and ahh as they wait for the state to talk about discussing doing something.

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