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Leftists are supposed to be anti-capitalists and anti-imperialists. The DPRK is one of the remaining actually socialist countries on this planet. They are sanctioned by the Global North–that is the global capitalist hegemony in the West–to a point of desperation. The people are living in harsh conditions not because of the Juche “regime”, but because of the atrocities by the United States and its satellite states.

Thinking that the DPRK is somehow a hereditary monarchy is simply ridiculous. It also means that you are furthering Western Capitalist propaganda.

If you believe in the lies of the capitalists, you are hardly a leftist. You are simply another chauvinist helping the cause of the bourgeoisie and Amerikan imperialism.


Further reading:

The constitution of the DPRK: https://www.kfausa.org/dprk-constitution/

The reason for the support of the Kim family in the DPRK: https://www.visitthedprk.org/north-koreans-revere-kims-understanding-north-korean-leadership-objectively/

Myths & Misconceptions About North Korea, by a non-socialist creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhaHiht50AA


Please open your eyes.

This thread will deal with myths and realities of People's korea, of the puppet illegal occupied bourgeoisie state of south korea, defectors, society, aggresion agains it, international relations, e.t.c .

This thread will be edited and updated regularly. If any of you comrades have some info not added, or think that some sections to this thread should be added, feel free to tag me.

Long live DPRK, long live the anti-imperialist struggle!

:kim-il-young:

Socialism and democracy in DPRK

There is a huge notion in the western left (obviously), that DPRK is not socialist, but a state capitalist fascist monarchy.

We know how the western left is mostly racist and chauvinist towards china, dprk, vietnam etc, as it was previously with USSR and the eastern bloc.

Most of this western left is still against the USSR, but at least marxist-leninists and many anti-imperialist anarchists acknowledge them today. Many western leftists still remain in the same position against china or DPRK, however. We will address those points below.

Democracy and socialism

International solidarity and anti-imperialim of DPRK.

DPRK - Cuba relations

Black panthers connection

DPRK - Angola relations

DPRK - Syria relations

DPRK - Algeria relations

DPRK for the Palestinian struggle

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Part 3 -

What about the defectors?

Claims of concentration camps and defectors drama

So, what is the deal with the supposed work camps? Do they exist? If so, are they the horrific things we hear about from profesional defectors i.e (defectors who are paid to lie)?

The three main sources for the lies we hear are Amnesty international, defectors, and the Committee for Human Rights in North Korea.

Yep, you guessed it, these orgs and these defectors are paid by and are based in US, and they are nothing more than propaganda tools for obvious reasons.

So, the two main supposed reports and books, are these:

A fun fact about these, which is also the same with defectors is that they dont have avidence. They are all supported by testimonies, which cannot be verified, and many times fall apart and the defectors are saying a different thing in monday and different thing in saturday.

:zenz: Doesn’t this tactic sound familiar?

There are also the famous satellite images. You know, those images that can very well be prisons... Is there really a country that has no prisons? I could show you a satellite image from a prison in Norway, you would not distinguish from where it came and what it actually is.

So, there is no evidence. Not a video, images, official sources. Nothing. Just testimonies of people, which often fall apart. Are prisons in DPRK hard? Propably, as in most countries in the world.

Are guards feeding childs to dogs? You could be a racist and a very indoctrinated person to believe this thing without evidence. Also, there is a big number of defectors who want to go back to the DPRK, but you wont hear their stories frequently do you? I really wonder why! :thonk:

Here is some material to read and watch about defectors:

Debunking the defectors and destroy their hopes for oscars for best acting

So, what about that dramatic NK soldier who defected in the south, and the "evil" NoRtH KoReAn soldiers dared to shoot??? Well, he was a murderer. This is why he defected

What about defectors who speak the truth, and many times return back to (or want to) the dprk?

To sum it up, what about the defectors who are not professional liars?

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Appendix A: What is Juche?

Juche is, in layman's terms, a derivation of Marxism-Leninism with Maoist influences. It was first introduced by Kim Il-Sung at the Meeting of Leading Personnel of the Young Communist League and the Anti-Imperialist Youth League held at Kalun in June 1930.

It is primarily concerned with the laws of the social movement and the development of socialist ideology under the socialist socio-economic system. Marxism-Leninism, as well as Dialectical and Historical Materialism, are assumed by this ideology, so you should have some knowledge about these topics if you want to learn about the Juche Idea.

Kim Jong-Il talks about the foundations of Marxism-Leninism inherent in the Korean revolutionary philosophies and ideologies in On Correctly Understanding the Originality of Kimilsungism:

Kimilsungism was founded and has been developed in the course of safeguarding and embodying the ideological and theoretical achievements of Marxism-Leninism. The Juche Idea itself is an idea discovered in the process of the revolutionary struggle waged under the banner of Marxism-Leninism; it is an idea which has opposed all trends of idealism and metaphysics and strictly adhered to the materialistic and dialectic stand.

The revolutionary theory of Kimilsungism is also a theory which was founded and enriched in the course of protecting the revolutionary quintessence of Marxist-Leninist theory from bourgeois and opportunist theories and creatively applying and developing it in line with the requirements of the revolutionary practice of our times.

The Juche Idea is concerned primarily with elucidating the attributes of man which drive social movement. These are defined as independence, creativity, and consciousness, which complement and require each other. These attributes are explained bit by bit, shown to differentiate man from animals through his conscious, creative activity which frees him from the fetters of nature and society by advancing in the progressive struggle for communism.

If you want to talk about the economic or social policy of the DPRK, the concept you're looking for is primarily Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, not the Juche Idea.

A primary point of the Juche Idea is that each revolution must be carried out by its own people, rather than by a foreign power attempting to dominate the younger revolution towards its own interests.

Kim Jong-Il talks about this in On the Juche Idea:

The revolution in each country should be carried out responsibly by its own people, the masters, in an independent manner, and in a creative way suitable to its specific conditions. Independence and creativeness are the inherent requirements of a revolutionary movement, the communist movement.

Kim Il-Sung is not a god. He has never been such a thing, nor is he regarded by anyone in the country as such. In all my discussions with people from the DPRK, I have heard great respect for Kim Il-Sung. You should understand who he is as a historical actor to understand perhaps why people regard him as important.

Kim Il-Sung was a Communist, a Marxist, and a fierce guerrilla fighter against the brutal Japanese colonial domination over Korea. His entire life, from a young child to the end of his days, was involved in the anti-Imperialist struggle.

He founded the Workers Party of Korea, enacted land reforms to crush the landlord class, dissolved the petty-bourgeoisie class, formed a state and cooperative-owned economy, and established a firm vanguard party which held no patience for infiltrators or revisionists. He commanded the Fatherland Liberation War and maintained Korea's sovereignty and independence from the US Imperialists.

There's so much problematic about viewing the DPRK's struggle against Imperialism as "a myriad series of woes", let alone taking what I assume is a reference to their subjective poverty in comparison to the capitalist puppet nations and attempting to attribute that to perceived failings of ideology rather than as the result of the material conditions of the struggle.

Source: Original comment on :reddit-logo:

Fun fact: The term "juche" was originally coined by Korean anarchists and the revolution itself included many anarchist comrades. Anarchists are one of the leftist tendencies still present in the DPRK to this day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: The term "juche" was originally coined by Korean anarchists and the revolution itself included many anarchist comrades. Anarchists are one of the leftist tendencies still present in the DPRK to this day.

I know this thread is a year old, but I'll try and ask anyway. Do you have a source for this fun fact? Because if that's true, that's super interesting, and I'd love to know more!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Part 5:

Hilarious (one wonders how can people believe these) myths, and information about the Kim family

What about "mad-man" Kim Jong Un and his family? Also other myths addressed or debunked, by non pro-dprk, and pro-dprk accounts alike.

:kim-drip:

:reddit-logo: links: