this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2024
77 points (98.7% liked)

Games

16380 readers
918 users here now

Video game news oriented community. No NanoUFO is not a bot :)

Posts.

  1. News oriented content (general reviews, previews or retrospectives allowed).
  2. Broad discussion posts (preferably not only about a specific game).
  3. No humor/memes etc..
  4. No affiliate links
  5. No advertising.
  6. No clickbait, editorialized, sensational titles. State the game in question in the title. No all caps.
  7. No self promotion.
  8. No duplicate posts, newer post will be deleted unless there is more discussion in one of the posts.
  9. No politics.

Comments.

  1. No personal attacks.
  2. Obey instance rules.
  3. No low effort comments(one or two words, emoji etc..)
  4. Please use spoiler tags for spoilers.

My goal is just to have a community where people can go and see what new game news is out for the day and comment on it.

Other communities:

Beehaw.org gaming

Lemmy.ml gaming

lemmy.ca pcgaming

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
[email protected]
77
Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team (www.gamingonlinux.com)
submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
9 comments fedilink hide all child comments
top 9 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"We've finished taking all we need from the Mono project and implemented it into our ~~proprietary~~ .NET implementation for Linux, Android and iOS. Instead of getting flack for killing off Mono (which is open source and would've been forked anyways) we graciously give this old husk to the Wine project. We recommend that active Mono users and maintainers of Mono-based app frameworks migrate to .NET. kthnxbye!"

Good thing that it went to Wine I guess, as they do lots of work to get old Windows programs up and running in Linux and that often involves Mono.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Thats bad paraphrasing. .net is not propiatary and is open source and cross platform now because it started from scratch even before they bought xamarin (.net core). Yes mono did help .net become cross platform, no denying that, but they were already making steps to make that possible. They had to for the cloud/azure.

On top of that, for future development mono is no longer needed because .net is cross platform, and as an example ive made desktop apps on linux using avalonia which work on mac, windows, linux, ...

Mono's purpose at this point is only legacy stuff ( aka .net framework projects, aka stuff made with .net 4.8 or lower ) and will not evolve, which is perfect for wine.
I know it looks like microsoft took what they needed and are now ditching it, and its not untrue, but its always better to have something officially supported by the source instead of some 3th party as it will now evolve on all platforms at the same time and not stay behind the facts. It also will have better performance too since there is less translation going on.

Dont be salty about this man. Be salty about maui and how it took xamarin and crippled it ( no linux support )

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I stand corrected, .NET Core is open source and uses the MIT License.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Assuming that they will do EEE here once more, can the community fork the latest version of. Net and do with it whatever they want, including maintaining cross platform support if MS decides to abandon that part?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The mit license allows forking, merging, modifying and releases of modified code. Yes id assume so yes :)
I have a lot of bad things to say about some microsoft teams and some microsoft managers (cough fluentui webcomponents team cough ), but in general the .net team is a nice one and ive had several nice encounters with few of its devs.
Just dont know what the actual bloody fuck the manager/team was thinking dropping linux when they made maui...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What I would really like to know is the thought process behind using the oldest dependency version in a version range in .NET instead of the newest like literally every other package or dependency manager ever made. That design couldn't be worse if it was designed to maximize security holes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Care to elaborate? I dont fully follow ^^; Feel free to also dm me or something

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you specify that e.g. a dependency should be between version >= 4.0 and < 4.1 in dotnet and there are versions 4.0.0 and 4.0.1 available pretty much all other systems choose 4.0.1 based on the idea that that will include a fix while dotnet chooses 4.0.0 based on the idea that that is "more stable".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, thats fair. I think thats fixable using wildcards in the packagereference in the csproj, but id need to check. I too would expect it to choose 4.0.1 unless a patch release needs a big update or something