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Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the "Loli" announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I'm taking it as a backtrack, but it's still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven't seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of "whoops bad English" like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.

Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don't listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as "this network"? Do you want this reputation? I don't. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don't drag all our infrastructure with you.

Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.

edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it's coming from.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'll just point out that I never suggested anyone defederate from anyone.
As a side point though, lots of places had already defederated from lemmynsfw.

I just want a NSFW instance that doesn't cater to pseudo child porn

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this you u/spez on some mission to destroy the federated world before it had a chance to grow up?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

If that kind of content was allowed here I'd delete my account. No, one wants that kind of trouble.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You wrote:

Guess other instances do not care regardless even if its correctly flagged and tagged and everything. I had a discussion about this topic with the mods of feddit.de, but they are firm to block whole instances if there is any NSFW community on it. No matter what. I am now on kbin and deleted my account there.

Why don't you open an account on one of those instance instead of pushing it in our throats?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No one wants to shove petite Asian ladies into your throat. Just don't subscribe to those communities/magazines. That NSFW magazines appear in All is nothing but a technical issue.
Why the hell do you think having 5 accounts so you can subscribe to everything you want is acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's always the fucking furries

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Everyone will note that you never address the pedo data ending up hosted by Ernest if we don't defederate. You never talk about that, it's always about you, you you. Well sorry for you but you are not alone and there are real-life implications to hosting this content.

This pedo content has nothing to do on this server.

Just don't subscribe to those communities/magazines.

No, YOU go out and get your illegal content from the source.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's true, drawn child porn is still child porn in many juristictions, e.g, in the UK it's explicitly prohibited. https://jd-solicitors.co.uk/guide-to-uk-pornography-laws/#:~:text=UK%20Child%20pornography%20laws&text=The%20first%20is%20indecent%20images,%2C%20and%20computer%2Dgenerated%20images
You can try and argue in court that the server you're legally responsible for hosting child porn is permitted but...good luck.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.

There has to be a line though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I saw this person defending exploding-heads (Nazi instance) earlier so I imagine the line looks much different for them than for you.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

IMO, unless it's explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

To quote:

I have so much respect for @[email protected] but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

I'm not sure what to make of all this; it's a bit iffy to me so I'll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they're gonna make their own instance so we'll see how that pans out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The heading of the post is, and I quote

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
I understand that, languages are tough.
That said, the fact that it isn't a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.

I'm not trying to have them closed. I'm not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I'm concerned its "legal" and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.

Being real here, if I'm looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don't want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.

The point of this thread is to warn other "normies" that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I'm fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean the person that made the original post has responded to that post saying "im not a pedo 🫤🤷‍♂️ I thought loli meant for teen people like 18-25."

Which to me does not track at all with what was said the first post, where they acknowledge that it's drawings that appears to be of people underage. how do you talk about underage then say " I thought they meant 18 year old" does not really strike me as an "oopsi, I did not know"

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just block these communitys, its nothing serious.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yikes. As long as it’s not actual children it’s fine by me. They’re an NSFW server after all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe a hot take, but I don't mind as long as there are no victims and no one is actually hurt.

But I also won't lose any sleep if the content is banned by communities that don't want that (such as kbin.social if that happens to be the case).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think everyone would think of that as 'drawn child porn'. Plenty of live action 'school girl' stuff out there and that usually gets a pass. Pretty much every amateur video is implied to be incestuous now, are they promoting having sex with school kids and incest?

Terms like 'barely legal' and 'young teen' are used all the time, do you think there aren't people out there imagining those girls being younger than 18? If some Loli drawings are where you draw the line then it seems like an odd place to do so. Does nothing for me personally, I prefer drawings of young boys misbehaving, swearing and defecating /s (South Park).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not here to argue about the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.

I don't care. Lemmynsfw can do whatever they want.

The point is there is going to be NSFW instances, and im:
a) warning people not interested in that shit that lemmynsfw is not the place to go, and
b) asking if there are any other alternatives

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

In that case a simple 'What are the best NSFW instances?' would have sufficed perhaps with a line stating that you don't enjoy hentai / loli. You cared about the nuance when you called it child porn despite knowing the actual genre is 'loli'.

Big difference between something not being your cup of tea and full blown child porn accusations. I might not enjoy someone sending me an eggplant emoji but I wouldn't call the police and say I've just been harassed by a drawn picture of a purple cock.

Hope you find an instance to your tastes and I hope you can get your questions answered in future without feeling the need to incite a mob.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

well this is the strength of the fediverse, some instances can choose to go off the rails and it doesn't affect the others

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (27 children)

You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (22 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

saying loli is drawn child porn

:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.

for the rest

of us though,

we dont really want to be associated with this shit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The Pedos sure want to come out in full force don't they, pure scum. No surprise 90% have anime pfps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

citing a shitty dictionary doesn't change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Attacking people doesn't really help your point. Might want to think about that for a moment before replying like that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While your point is valid, so is /u/nudes's

If you have to go looking for dictionaries that don't suggest you are attracted to underaged girls, you MIGHT want to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Nah I'm good

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.

The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's Japanese culture in the same way guns are American culture. You don't have to like every aspect of your culture, but Japan is still the place loli/shota was crystalized into an artform, and America is still the country with the most guns by an extremely wide margin.

I've seen people get called a "pedophile" for liking Konata Izumi, a 17-18 year old character from the series Lucky Star. They weren't even called that because they were posting porn, they were called that because they liked to collect SFW art of her. Do you expect people to not create porn of her as well because someone might find it offensive however? It's so absurd to me.

The first thing I learned in therapy for PTSD is that I will get triggered, I will never be able to avoid my triggers forever, and that it's unhealthy to even try. I need to be able to handle triggers, which over time helps lessen their impact on my life. I don't see why other people should be denied enjoying something that harms no one just because it puts me on edge.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even care about the ruling. I just hate that people keep conflating loli/shota with children when it really has nothing to do with that.

But yeah it's wild how people have issues with drawings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I know and agree. People will tell you characters like Tatsumaki from One Punch Man is "minor coded". Rev Says Desu has great videos on these people freaking out over nothing.

The sad irony is that organizations that deal with actually helping stop actual predators have to tell people to stop reporting drawings because it's flooding their tip boxes.

I'm a CSA survivor myself and the virtue signaling people do around this topic triggers me almost as much as abusers themselves. I don't like people speaking for me, especially when they can't tell the difference between a drawing and an actual person.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Japanese culture can do what it wants.

I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.

Call me crazy, I know

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I had to go find the thread being referenced, it's here for anyone else who hasn't seen it: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/42348

I took the time to post my own thoughts in the thread, which I've reproduced here:

It seems a lot of people have very strong negative reactions to anything which is too close to children in pornography. I don't think that's an especially bad thing, but in my mind the only reason to be against minors in pornography is to protect those same minors from harm.

As an analogy, I find scat porn disgusting. But that doesn't mean it should be banned, as long as all parties are able to consent and no harm is done.

When it comes to non-child-coded drawings (though with childish proportions), I don't see the harm or lack of consent. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about the content, it shouldn't be banned.

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