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What if we find out one day, it was all an organized game, to screw over the citizens?

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[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

These large conspiracy theories are always absurd because our government can't both be eminently incompetent and also full of scheming masterminds, able to keep hundreds or thousands of people from spilling secret plans. You have to pick one.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Ministry of Magic effect, even. With how full of idiots and bigots it is portrayed in the books, they shouldn't be able to hide from the Muggles even by spamming the memory erasure spells left and right

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Actually, chronic, systemic incompetence is one of the main factors preceding fascism. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be the manifestation of any given stage of conservatism.

The mechanism of why Republicans and conservative dems work together to degrade our institutions is quite simple; greed. It doesn't take much more than that really, and they get so caught up taking turns spraying money from the corporate money hose up eachothers asses that they can't mount any meaningful resistance when the far-right metastasizes into full blown fascism.

[-] MHanak@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago
[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

What are you confused about exactly? Fascism always start on the fringe and it works its way into society because the "moderates" become complacent, fat, and greedy. In the US bribery is legal, and Democrats have become more concerned with protecting their corporate bribe scheme than protecting our democracy and stamping down fascism.

That's how it works every time -- corruption renders institutions unable to combat fascism, which is why when the take over actually happens it doesn't take a ton of force to push things over, they just push the door open and walk in.

[-] MHanak@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't live in the US so i am kinda confused how conspiracies and interactions between opposing parties are synonimous with the development of fascism

[-] retrospectology@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It doesn't have to do with just the US, it's a very similar pattern wherever fascism rises. People's dissatisfaction with their corrupt and inept government is leveraged by fascist groups. It's what happened in Germany in the 20th century, in China, in Hungary etc.

[-] mspencer712@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

I think this was asked in good faith, but is unfortunately unlikely to produce useful discussion. The down-voters are right but the original poster shouldn’t feel bad for asking.

Short answer: it’s ok to say “maybe, we have no way to know, moving on” when something is unknowable like this.

Longer answer / topic hijack: as voters there are many contradictions in our system, and important and necessary information is often hidden from us. Doing the best we can might take various forms:

  • choose government ran by the least-evil people possible and trust the imperfect system formed by the structured interactions of those people

  • choose government that follows policies that align the best with your values or your ethical understanding of the world

  • choose government that is best able to reduce harms and injustices, in a practical and realistic way that anticipates the acts of other factions

  • choose government led by people you hate the least — no, this one is toxic, lazy, easy to manipulate with lies. Manipulators know the longer they keep people hot with emotion the less time people spend learning.

Please do not reply to this with hatred or calls for strong emotion. Leaders at any level can be deliberately evil, sure, but it's never helpful to dehumanize entire clusters or demographics.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

It's not as simple as that, but you're on the right track

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago

inb4 "both sides"

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For your title did you try to write :
"What
if
DNC is working with RNC" ...?

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think it's as simple as this, but lobby groups of course want to influence both parties. And all of them have a vested interest in keeping the two party system intact.

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