Picture shows a pride parade. A group of people are carrying a banner that says "LOCKHEED MARTIN" over a rainbow graphic.

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[–] 68 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Getting wealthy on war profiteering while wrapping yourself in the pride flag. Great, just great...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I'd say that it's better to frame it as; lockheed supports lgbtq+ but lgbtq+ does not support lockheed as long as lockheeds business-model is based on killing people.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    My first pride experience involved wearing a Kuffiyeh and shouting at my local military contractor’s HR department and the one visibly LGBTQ person as they strolled down the street appalled that people didn’t want them there.

    No pride in genocide,

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    You think an entire people are one dimensional religious fundamentalists, based on an article of clothing worn by an entire people, even their queers?

    Jesus fucking christ, you are being racist as hell

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Was hoping you'd be self critical and figure it out on your own.

    You think an entire people are one dimensional religious fundamentalists

    "Zionists" = Jews, an entire people.

    This meme portrays them as bloodthirsty psychopaths who fantasize about killing their own people via their mortal enemy because they are gay. My very close friend is a "Zionist", ie a person with more complex feelings about the war than anyone on this goddamn site thinks is possible. A person who doesn't want dead civilians or anything else, but was there when her friends were butchered in the streets. She also happens to be a lesbian, and the "average Zionist" is her.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    “Zionists” = Jews, an entire people.

    Unfortunately, zionism is not equivalent to a group of people. Zionism, at least in this context, is a geopolitical position, not an ethnic or religious group.

    To consider an entire population of people one-dimensional and hold a political position is harmful. I literally said this exact thing in an earlier comment.

    Zionism, at least in this context…

    To elaborate on this point, I’ll describe it in this context, and then describe it being used as an antisemitic dog whistle, so we should be on the same page.

    In this context, zionism is a political ideology based around settler colonialism, and it led to the founding of Israel, among many, many other consequences.

    The meme points out a really annoying tendency that I, as a queer person, and many others have seen when supporting palestine where pro-israel people will go “lol why do you support hamas, they will literally torture you and kill you for being LGBT” even though it is pro-palestine, not pro-hamas.

    In the antisemitic dogwhistle context, it is simply used as a stand-in for “the jews”. If you think this is the context people on the left are using, you lack all forms of critical reasoning.

    Based on what you said, this meme would indeed be racist if you view it from the antisemitic dogwhistle context. But it isn’t coming from there. To try and conflate the two is just trying to conflate opposition to a geopolitical position with racism.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I can't say if this specific one is authentic but I would not be surprised, as my company does the same: branded pride flags, t-shirts for their LGBTQ+ employees. And I'm torn on this, because I feel a bit bad about the branding aspect of it, but on the other hand the company putting their name to openly support all sexual and gender identities does seem like a good thing to do....

    Yes, the irony of a company that produces more efficient ways of killing people being concerned with social issues does not escape me. But there are employees of the company who apparently support both (and good for them)

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Any employee of Lockheed Martin who's an ally attended on their own, not behind company branding. This is just a big business rainbowwashing itself. Using queer people as a tool to improve its own social capital.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Is this picture real? I mean, for real, real...? Link to video?

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (42 children)

    they might ... you know ... be gay and work at lockheed martin ... and got their managers to pay for some shit for pride. maybe could submit expense reports and have the trip paid for ...

    there were times when gay people couldn't work at lockheed martin. i prefer this photo to that.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (40 children)

    The fact that anyone, let alone LGBTQ+ people, can go to the streets holding a "Lockheed Martin" sign and not get shamed into dropping it, shows we're failing as a society

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (39 children)

    Lockheed martin makes HIMARS. HIMARS is saving ukraine lives. That's a good thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (34 children)

    They also make a motherload of AGMs including hellfires & mavericks which the IDF used exclusively to nuke Gaza and its residents into oblivion.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (32 children)

    Weapons can be used for liberation or oppression at the same time. Lockheed doesn't get to say who they sell to.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    Lockheed-Martin doesn't commit war crimes, the governments you elected or didn't, do the war crimes. They're a weapon and aeronautical reasearch, development, and manufacturing company. Building weapons and planes and jets is something every single nation on Earth does (or buy from those that do). This is just as silly as Coca-Cola sponsoring Pride, maybe even more so if you knew what they've been up to.

    Corporations are not your friend or ally, rainbow or not. It doesn't matter what they support because they are all in some way evil. But if people want their support in Pride, why not?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Corporations want to be perceived as people, and they are protected by law as such. A person who knowingly manufactures weapons that are being used to commit a genocide is a psychopath. Psychopaths typically feign empathy to appear normal and blend in with society. Lockheed Martin supporting Pride is an example of such behavior.

    Of course corporations are profit maximization engines, not people. By allowing them to act like people, we are normalizing psychopathy.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bold of you to assume that there's no cause-effect relation between what Lockheed-Martin execs deem profitable, and whatever policy the US takes. Lobbying is a thing, and the same investors that put money in military conglomerates, put money into lobbying and into media. If you can't see how the existence of powerful capitalist companies that make weapons is detrimental to a democracy, I don't know what to tell you.

    What's this bullshit? Now we can't criticise the military conglomerates because "they're just companies doing company things"? Nah fuck that and fuck Lockheed Martin, selling weapons to an imperialist government makes you as bad as the imperialist government.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Yikes. I'd rather get arrested than hold that banner

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