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At work we somehow landed on the topic of how many holes a human has, which then evolved into a heated discussion on the classic question of how many holes does a straw have.

I think it's two, but some people are convinced that it's one, which I just don't understand. What are your thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

One common definition of a hole defines a hole specifically as the opening. If the definition applies only to the opening, this implies that the hole exists on a 2-dimensional plane. Despite the fact that the openings are connected along a tunnel, we don't care about the structure of a hole beyond the 'opening', we can ignore everything else. If we continue on that path, there are 2 visible holes on a straw.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Judging by what this video by Vsauce about how many holes a human has it should be one in a straw. A straw is basically just a long doughnut and there's one hole in those.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I can't even understand the thinking that produces 2.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

One long hole that goes all the way through the straw

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Matt Parker did quite a good video on this exact question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymF1bp-qrjU

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It has one hole. While it appears to have two holes, if both are closed, you get a hollow sphere, which has -1 holes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

One. Imagine a cube of steel. Now you take a drill and you drill an hole into this cube. Now you saw around that hole so it has a wall thickness of 1mm. Now you have a straw made out of steel and you’ve drilled only one hole.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought one hole intuitively, then I started thinking... what about those y shaped straws or medical hoses that split.... one hole? Two holes? Three?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s one hole. Imagine a solid cylinder, how many times do you need to go through it to make it a straw? Only once :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (14 children)

A regular straw has zero holes. The central cavity, through which beverages flow, is not part of the straw, and hence it's endpoints are not holes in the straw.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None. Colloquially, we use "hole" in all kinds of weird ways. As others have pointed out, topologically a straw is no different to a torus (donut) that clearly has one "hole"... but I'd like to focus instead on the linguistic definition of "hole", not the colloquial or mathematic definitions.

A hole can either mean:

  1. a perforation ("a hole in my shirt", "a bullet hole", etc) - which is, specifically, "a hole or pattern made by or as if by piercing or boring"
  2. a gap ("a hole in your reasoning", "a hole in my heart", etc)
  3. a hollowed out or burrowed place ("a hole in the road", "a fox hole", etc)

i think we're not talking about 2. It seems to require some larger uniform structure or set of items in which an item is missing. 1 and 3 seem really similar to me: both seem to require some active removal of matter to qualify. All of these definitions point towards a subtractive process, where something of a larger whole (heh) is removed or absent.

Most straws, I'll venture a guess, are not manufactured solid and then bored out.. so I don't think it applies here. So I don't think a straw matches a fitting definition of "hole". A straw is created additively by assembling the "shell" by some means, not subtractively. Donuts, by comparison, had holes punched in them. A subtractive operation. Rubber bands have not had holes punched in them... they're additive. Not holes.

Similarly (because I see a lot of talk about buttholes and mouths here too), your esophagus and digestive tract (and veins and all kinds of other things) were formed in a similar additive manner, not by forming a mass of meat and boring through the passage, and thus would similarly not qualify as "holes" (in my opinion).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

By the logic of most of the comments in here, does this mean most people are wrong when they say they are digging a hole???

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Define a "hole".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

A hole is an opening on (something), and a TUNNEL is an end that leads to a hole that leads to another hole and to another end. Therefore, it has zero holes, but one (very small) tunnel.

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