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[–] [email protected] 152 points 4 months ago (4 children)

People, shall we read the full article first?

Meanwhile, this is not the case with the Ryzen 9000 series desktop parts as the spec sheet of that says:

OS Support

Windows 11 - 64-Bit Edition , Windows 10 - 64-Bit Edition , RHEL x86 64-Bit , Ubuntu x86 64-Bit

So the new Ryzen AI chips that most people don't care about won't support Win 10, but Ryzen 9000 (the real deal desktop chips) will.

To be frank, the article title is misleading at best.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My lazy ass decided to just go with the copied title generated by Lemmy when making the post. I edited the title, thanks for mentioning that!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

When in doubt, I just get the title from the article and add important context or copy an important paragraph from the article into the body. Then get a link to an archive if the article is payable paywalled.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Thanks, I always appreciate a proper wording that avoids click bait and rage bait headlines

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

just curious but wouldn't it still be better for most users to consider migrating to Linux considering that

The Windows 10 support on Ryzen 9000 to me seems like AMD's providing users a last hail mary to jump ship towards Linux before shit goes downhill as Windows 11 seems like a terrible decision to support considering Microsoft's countless terrible decisions


Edit

hmm based on the sizeable downvotes it looks like I fucked up

gonna have to reflect on this and see where I messed up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I don't think it's true that people don't care about the Ryzen AI chips. Stupid name for sure, but this is really Strix Point, the laptop chips. What that really implies is that any AMD laptops going forward will not support W10, which will affect quite a large number of people

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Even more reason to switch to Linux!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Absolutely correct, Microsoft giving everyone the reason to finally switch to Linux and AMD not wasting time or energy on that steamy pile of crap

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

But given AMDs support on Linux being so nice it's at least going to be a fairly painless switch

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Are they... releasing Linux support?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

AMD has been supporting Linux officially for a very long time (both on the CPU [and chipset] and GPU side of things).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

~~AMD began submitting Zen 5 patches for Linux this time last year and have been steadily submitting in anticipation of Zen 5 / Ryzen 9000.~~

~~So technically they’ve already released Linux support.~~

~~Edit: Proof from kernel.org showing Zen 5 named specifically.~~

Edit: I’m a dumbass. Ryzen AI 300 isn’t on Zen 5 but XDNA 2. XDNA support has been open sourced by AMD on GitHub and, according to a developer, they are trying to get it upstream too. The are committing to that repo all the time so I wouldn’t be surprised their XDNA 2 branch is merged in time for release.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Sounds promising, crossing my fingers!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We get it, Linux good Windows bad. I agree, but we don't need to see this comment on every post.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Almost like discussing AMD's driver support on alternate OSes is relevant.

If you got upset by someone mentioning Linux, just scroll by. Or downvote if you really are that petty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

“Even more reason to switch to Linux!”
Linus Torvalds

Michael Scott

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even more reason to leave Windows behind

I guess it also confirms that the next gen of Ryzen chips is also not launching before Windows 10 goes EoL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They absolutely are. The title was just misleading. Ryzen 9000 will absolutely have Win10 support.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Open source it so others can continue it if they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if these ai chips will be good at transcoding (jellyfin) or facial detection on a security camera (frigate). Seems these might be good for homelabers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

For video transcoding, eh, maybe, but that's a solved problem: the iGPU on a modern CPUs can do more video streams at basically zero power usage than I'd ever need.

For Frigate? Oh absolutely. That started out requiring a TPU (A Coral at like 2 TOPS) for anything resembling usable performance, and then built some GPU models. No reason you couldn't use a 50 TOPS NPU instead, other than software support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

How much is MS paying them to make this anti-consumer decision?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

$0. If they can’t get support from MS then they won’t be able to support it either. Also, they don’t make money at all on supporting an OS that isn’t sold. Any hours spent on maintaining support is unrecoverable expense.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Probably nothing, because the demand is coming off more from laptop OEMS, who always push the latest OS as a bullet point for sales.

For example, Framework doesn't officially support Windows 10 through their drivers, regardless if it's Intel or AMD. Especially since all the major laptop OEMs are going full AI, windows 10 support isn't a remote priority of any of these laptops.

Windows 10 is basically at the line where Windows 7 was. You have the choice of going to whatever Microsoft is doing, Going to linux, or do what WIndows 7 users do and stubbornly not move to linux despite you wanting what the linux market offers, until theyre forced off it down the line when things like google's chrome electron apps stop supporting the OS (e,g Steam, Discord) down the line.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Good. Let the enshittification flow through you.