Logged into my banking app for it to tell my that my version of Android is outdated, leaving me vulnerable to attacks, and that I need to update my system. I see no updates and sure enough, the manufacturer just recently declared my phone EOL.

I could still log in to my banking app after dismissing the warning but how long is that going to last? Am I actually in danger of being hacked while browsing the Internet on my phone?

Do I really need to splurge on a new phone now? There's nothing wrong with this one. Fuck smartphones, honestly- sure, this shit also happens on PCs with Windows, but you usually get at least a decade of support. I've had this phone for less than five years, and at least with computers you could stick your preferred version of Linux on your outdated device to get more life out of it

It's also really cool how everyone in modern Western society is essentially dependent on one of two Yank megacorps to function, since you need an online bank account to verify your identity for basic shit like healthcare, social security and so on and those require either a Google Store or iPhone app

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[–] 62 points 2 years ago (10 children)

well the battery goes bad and has to be thrown out eventually

to combat this problem we've made the battery impossible to remove so that you'll throw out your whole phone with the battery too

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  • [–] [S] 54 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I still remember when smartphones had removable batteries chomsky-yes-honey

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Oh they still do. Just, you know, there's like a 30% chance of bricking it every time you open it up. : (

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The Fairphone exists, which is (supposedly) pretty easily repairable. You're definitely gonna pay a price premium on it tho and the hardware isn't exactly latest. Might consider it for my next phone.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Eh I got it recommended by a comrade who seemed knowledgable about it, but I kinda regret it. It's expensive and, even if the parts are replaceable, the phone is slow and underperforming enough that it'll still just need replaced within 5 years due to software requirements from everything around it.

    Literally cheaper and just as little (or less) impact in continuously buying used flagship phones from 4 years ago.

    That comrade is a bit of a lib so I should've seen it coming. Of course I'm a lib so I didn't.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you're supposed to buy a new phone every year and then eat the old phone just like with flatscreen TVs

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  • [+] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)
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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    7 years ago, I bought a flagship phone in hopes of keeping it for a decade.

    Last year, I had to buy a new phone because the cell towers stopped broadcasting on frequencies my phone supported. It became a neat WiFi-only brick, and useless for my purposes, in 60% of my target lifetime.

    In short, the entire industry is configured for a sub-decade obsolescence cadence.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Yeah. I am currently nursing the last keyboard phone ever made (no I don't care about the titan or whatever it's called) and I feel your pain.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    use the website instead of the native app

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I break my phone after every phone call.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago*

    Phones really are in a bad spot, even ROMs that extend lifespan come at a cost to Security a lot of the time. It's completely up to a manufacturer how long to give a phone security updates, and the phone could die before that due to irreplaceable batteries. When looking at phones that last long, the only options (that I would consider) are the Fairphone and the Pixel, of which only the latter even supports Graphene OS. I do know that Fairphone tries to extend the lifespan even further than they promise, but the phones are really expensive for what they provide.

    I would go for one of the Pixel 8s if you need a new phone, a bit more expensive (edit: than a budget phone) but they are promising 7 years of updates, and you can install Graphene OS on it (Graphene OS works with banking apps as well.)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Logged into my banking app for it to tell my that my version of Android is outdated, leaving me vulnerable to attacks, and that I need to update my system. I see no updates and sure enough, the manufacturer just recently declared my phone EOL.

    Even worse is they lock the bootloader so you can't install a costum OS

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Probably a stupid question, but are there any "Linux equivalent" for smartphones?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    There are custom operating systems for phones but all of them are supported for specific models and may stop being updated after a while on older phones because development depends on volunteer work. Also you need to know how to unlock bootloader for them and may brick the device if you do something wrong while flashing the rom, so be sure to use a guide the first time. The main two custom roms I know are GrapheneOS(only for Pixel models) and LineageOS.

    Edit: This is useless for OP though since bank apps don't work if they detect you are using a custom ROM.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Check out LineageOs. The point of the phone os is to allow you to keep using your phone for as long as you want. Bit of a pain to initally setup though

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Not sure how nicely banking apps play with FOSS operating systems

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    You have to flash in google apps (MindTheGapps) when flashing the OS to run the app but you have to do that to get Google Play and install the app anyways. After that the app doesn't know the difference.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I really like the phones Unihertz sells and makes. They are unique little pieces and they even offer replacement parts for all of their phones! The battery is dying? No prob, just pop in a new one.

    I also like that they are amazingly priced. Other than that, fuck Google and major phone manufacturers. I hate them and this garbo closed down OS.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I need a new phone at some point in the next couple years but idfk what to get. I have a galaxy s7 edge and I don't want to spend money on something that feels worse in some way

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Dont buy a fking xiaomi it fking sucks and the build quality is terrible and its full of random software bugs like the qr code scanner just randomly not workinf

    If you want to buy a cheap Chinese phone get a oneplus or a huawei or a oppo instead

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    Fuck here I am waiting for my new xiaomi to arrive O: I've heard HyperOS is better and some models do support custom ROMs. I'm switching from a oneplus which I've loved for five years, the xiaomi seemed like good stats for the price.

    Edit: It arrived. It feels like an arranged marriage, it might be my phone for five years or more if it holds up, I'm nervous to open the box. I need the ultimate device for efficient commie shitposting.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Mine's a Xiaomi and my only complaint is that MIUI sucks and the apps that came with it are awful. When I bought it the screen size, resolution, camera quality, specs, etc easily beat out other phones in the same price class. I quickly took a look at current phones and the screen in my phone is still like double the resolution of other cheap phones four years in

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    It seems like that was the main drawback to xiaomi phones I read but it sounds like they are at least trying to do something to help recently. I really wanted to stay with oneplus but they just seemed too pricey for me for comparable stats.

    Edit: it also has a headphone jack though which I am beyond stoked about, don't give up your 3.5mm input, people, I have long missed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It is good stats for the price but I am ticked about two things:

    -Battery life starts out good but goes to shit fast

    -MIUI sucks and it is a specific pain in the ass to unlock bootloader. My other phone was much older but I only needed to pass the unlock command from ADB, this wants me to use an app that only works on Windows and then wait a week.

    YMMV because my phone is the cheapest model possible.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I've been pretty partial to Xiaomi phones since their first release but it's getting to that point in the market where low-mid spec phones do everything I need them to and the Chinese market and the performance of my domestic currency are at a point where it's not really worth my next phone being a Xiaomi.

    For whatever it's worth, changing the OS on a Xiaomi is a headfuck by design. Also note that if you are avoiding Xiaomi that means you should also avoid Poco, which is part of the Xiaomi brand umbrella.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I end up replacing my phone every 4-5 years. I always buy the 2 year old flagship phone they are starting to liquidate for deep discounts outright. It's always good enough. But that's about how long it takes to either have the battery starting to show it's age or the charging ports to be fucked or something else to be going bad. What sucks is having to take a phone like that within 2 years to a repair place to fix the port and replace the battery, which I've done for 2 phones. After a certain amount of time it gets harder to get parts for old phones.

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I'm mostly pissed off that OLED display tech has become so commonplace. Prone to burn-in and yellowing planned-obsolescence piece of shit tech. Give me IPS any fucking day. Sure, blacks aren't completely black, and power draw is slightly higher, but IPS displays last.

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