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The "Arch breaks all the time" people have obviously never used Arch.
I've run Arch as a daily driver for the last 4 and a half years and haven't had any issues. I've tried Pop_OS twice in that time and had install-breaking issues within a week in both cases.
YMMV
I run Manjaro with KDE on X11.... I use a lot of mouse gestures, so I can't sit with Wayland.
I found the SYSTEM is extremely stable for ME. It is important to say this every time...
I find KDE is often less stable... I had at least 2 issues I couldn't explain/understand and just fixed with restoring contents of .config from snapshots.
This is one area where Manjaro 'held back' and did actually save us from a lot of the bleeding edge (5.26 was a rough ride)... but that's not an 'Arch' issue, that's a 'KDE' issue.
But the USER likes to tip the boat until it does a barrel roll, or sinks entirely... and this is mostly what divides the happy users. Sometimes it's just basic hardware, sometimes it's the USER habits/modus operandi.
So we have Snapshots, and we have rsync backups to a mounted drive.... Then it matters not - a quick restart fixes most issues, and a reinstall takes only 6 minutes with no data lost -> in backups.
That's stable enough for me.
BTW, I use AUR quite a lot - and it never actually caused me an issue, other than some stuff needing rebuilds.
Only time I've ever broken my ~10 year arch box is when I don't read the news feed
where is the news feed? I just had my arch laptop wiped out and it'd be nice to avoid it next time
Archlinux.org They will post if theres anything requires manual intervention
I used arch for 1.5 years and it did break a lot. Though I did use nvidia, so it was to be expected.
Switched to Nixos yesterday because it was kind of anxiety-inducing knowing my main computer was sitting on a time bomb that only got worse as time went on, as I toyed with the system more and more
Absolutely loved arch though, and I hope Iโll love nix as well
Literally switched off nix today because of a few mandatory (for me) packages were broken and I already regret it. Nix is such an awesome is and its impossible to break. Unlike Debian that fucked itself because rfkill wasint installed and that borked my networking on my PC. Couldn't start my nic or anything and stayed up til 2 am trying to fix til I said fuck it and re-installed. Switching back to nix tomorrow!
the subtle difference is that distros like Pop try hard to aim at home computer normie users or new to Linux, Arch doesn't. 99% of Arch fault cases are also user's fault.
Can confirm, I am a dumbass often.
Iโll take rolling updates over twice a year major release upgrades any day. My experience with Centos and Ubuntu was that anytime I needed to upgrade the OS, I had to spend a few hours fixing random stuff. Never had a problem with Arch that I couldnโt fix.
Funny but my arch doesn't break at all. I think users probably break it because they are learning, and that's not really the fault of arch. :)
I've been using Arch for years and not once has an update "broke" my system. If it does break someone's system it's likely because they messed with their libs without knowing what they were doing
Stupid libs ruining everything
WELL ACKTCHUALLY...
But jokes aside: How do you people break your Arch system so often? I'm on Arch since 2012 or so and it never really broke for me. Also, anyone who can read will be able to fix the ~1 time a year required manual intervention.
Arch is DIY, so you're supposed to know how to fix it.
It's the trade off of having a mostly bleeding edge operating system. It's part of the reason why I wouldn't recommend Arch to beginners. While pretty rare, some update will eventually break part of your OS or cause other (often minor) issues and you should be knowledgeable enough/willing to look up the offending package and roll it back. It's up to the user to decide whether Arch's pros (massive software availability through official repos and the AUR, DIY approach, up-to-date packages) outweigh its cons.
As @[email protected] said (I can't tell if jokingly or not - lol), it is somewhat expected that an Arch user checks the Latest News section on archlinux.org before updating their system. Though I might add, I usually don't bother.
For all the memes, Arch has not once broken on me.
Is it just me who chuckles when all the peeps here confirm the meme by their "BuT Me ArCh NeVeR bRoKe" posts all super serious and not at all a little butthurt? <Insert trollface>
Imma be real.. Arch has been the most consistent system I've used to date.
I've been using linux off and on since like 2008. I jumped around from ubuntu, fedora, opensus, popOS, centOS, etc.. I've had manjaro and now arch as my daily driver for probably 4 or more years now and Arch updates have only ever broke one thing, one time, and it was more of a audio pipewire issue than it was really archs fault.
arch updates do not deserve this slander, its been very reliable for me, more than probably any system i've ever used.
Arch has only broken for me because I'm an idiot.
I've definitely seen stuff break because of an update to arch. there was an issue a while back where KDE plasma and xorg together would cause taskbar icons to be absolutely massive. a subsequent update fixed that.
the thing is, if my gaming PC is unusable, it's not a big deal cause I don't need it for anything. that's why I run arch on it
Interesting. I've been running Arch/KDE for years and never saw that bug. I use Arch on almost everything.
Steam Deck comes with kinda-Arch, I use Arch for work now, I use it on my gaming PC. The only thing that doesn't run it is my home server because it sits in a corner and doesn't need bleeding edge updates or the AUR.
Coincidentally enough, Fedora has only broken for me because I am an idiot.
Usually when things I own or use break it's because I'm an idiot lol.
Ubuntu-based is based, change my mind.
I love Ubuntu. It's by far the most popular distro and that comes with the very helpful perk of it being easier to find support. More users means more people who can answer your questions. It means more people who might fix some issue that annoys you. And all the while, it is a solid and easy to use distro.
soooo pop for stability on a desktop system??
for the most part, yes. Pop offers a pretty good overall user experience too! Honestly it has the only appstore that has enough apps for me to not have to use the terminal
Haha this is stunning - that someone will choose something so they are not forced to use a terminal.
Please tell us how you can install and use SearXNG, or Prowlarr, or Overseerr with your superb GUI tools?
Let's face it. For anyone who ever used and is knowledgable about Windows, we must admit that the road to make Linux really useable from GUI alone is a very long one (and one that most of us just get bored with).
Well, my use case very much differs from yours, the appstore has enough apps to serve my needs, happy to hear a different opinion though!
Also, you said it right there, I do not want to be forced to use a terminal all the time, I'd like the option to tinker around when I want to, it's about choice and general accessibility. I'd like to do 90% of my mundane tasks without touching a terminal, but hey that's how I like it.
nah
srsly looking for my next build, not really sure i want ubuntu as my DD
You want Fedora :)