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Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.

Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo

Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting

Deeply unserious people

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[–] 130 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

These fucking idiots get the possibility of meeting with and creating an ally for their cause with state resources that has actively used those resources to secretly fund and support foreign causes in the past and they stupidly do this shit?

Absolute fucking idiots. I have no other words. The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.

    It's beyond stupidity alright. No one is this fucking stupid, so the only reasonable conclusion is that they're ops.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I genuinely don't think they actually thought through any of this. They've treated it like it's some school trip where a class gets to meet the prez and say a few words. Not as a real and serious political organisation trying to make ties that will benefit their cause.

    Would they behave this way with the UK? With Norway or Sweden? Countries that wouldn't give them the time of day and wouldn't support them? Would they offend them with criticisms of how they run their states if given any kind of diplomatic welcome? I somehow think they wouldn't. They'd treat it like a westerners day out.

    They went there to lecture them. Imbeciles. A country that in the past has not been against literally arming their allies in foreign nations. Let alone providing lukewarm resource support.

    Just incredible shortsightedness. These are people you should be building trust with to eventually reach the point of collaboration.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    They went there to lecture them.

    Exactly. Why did this arrogant westoid think they have any right to share their "critiques" anyway. Extremely patient and kind of Diaz-Canal to even entertain their bullshit and offer them a private meeting to address their critiques. Critiques and reforms of the Cuban project should come from Cubans, not from Americans. Why does she think she has any right to dictate anything to the Cubans whatsoever? She's so arrogant she thinks she has the solution while Cubans are just too stupid to figure it out? She should have been there to learn, not to lecture.

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  • [–] 112 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why the fuck are you even going to Cuba as a member of a political party if you skip a meeting with the goddamn president? This should get them expelled, but I suppose that might be too authoritarian.

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    [–] 106 points 2 years ago

    How to build bridges, apparently

    1. Go to foreign nation and berate it's leadership
    2. Skip meeting with it's president who actually was going to try and address aforementioned comments
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  • [–] 88 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This reminds me of a recent podcast on Rev Left where he interviewed three Pan-Africanists who were part of a delegation in Cuba: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/on-cuba-and-haiti-the-fight-for-liberation-self-determination-in-the-caribbean

    One of them has been to these conferences in Cuba multiple times and would mention how US leftists would constantly bring ideological and sectarian baggage with them and how Cuban communists have to constantly tell them to remove their heads from their asses and stfu (It's around 13:00 into the podcast).

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    [–] 81 points 2 years ago

    If anyone still wonders why the global south thinks the western "left" is a joke, this is a perfect example.

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If I were to conduct a diplomatic faux pas on that level, I would resign from embarrassment.

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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN GO DUMBFUCKS??????????

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    [+] 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I don't fuck with just fedjacketing anyone but this is fed shit

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago

    jesus christ, imagine being able to meet the top goat of cuba and SKIPPING OUT

    fucking losers

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    It was the two succdem caucuses, the image describing events is from the commie caucus calling out their asses

    Hopefully Maria and Renée get blowback for this.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    NATO leftist scum. Had the same experience when I visited a chapter as a leftist Guatemalan with actual success in my city and these fucks used obnoxious idpol to downplay our gains and whined about how we weren’t that strong while listening to European leftists who achieved less than us.

    Read Maria’s response as she lists “poc voices” to use them against Cuba. This is what NATO leftists do and their irritatingly academic way of speaking combined with the sheer arrogance and chauvinism is why most in the global south hate them.

    We went to Cuba as reps of our party and even warned them about NATO leftists. They laughed and said they’re well aware of them.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago

    not surprising. shameful, pathetic behavior, but not surprising in the least.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    what-time-is-it it is time, Maria and Reneé

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Idea for a bit serious reform of the DSA: AES country invites DSA leadership to visit, then refuses to grant exit visas until they've harvested 100 tonnes of wheat by hand.

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    [+] 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Second, it limits the effectiveness of our external messaging and organizing, especially in regions of the country with large Hispanic and Cuban-American populations. While it is true that there are large sections of these diaspora communities, particularly Cuban exiles, who are hardcore reactionaries and have petty-bourgeois class interests, it would be a mistake to treat these communities as monolithic or immovable.

    she's more sympathetic to Miami gusanos than she is to Cuban revolutionaries. She wants to do tailism to appeal to gusanos and is worried that having solidarity with a socialist project would endanger her "organizing" among Cuban-Americans.

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My strategic reasoning is that I think it's counterproductive to advocating for an end to the embargo to meet with the head of a state that will credibly be accused of authoritarianism.

    Holy shit. It's literally just "muh authoritarianism." And coming out of some of the more powerful caucuses too. This is the best the DSA can muster?

    "Deeply unserious people," indeed.

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