Let me add one more voice to say, why oh why would you do that to yourself and suffer subpar virtualization when you have world class type 1 virtualization built straight into the kernel. And an incredibly capable UI, around since 2009, in the form of virt-manager?
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and suffer subpar virtualization
Meh I can get a Win11 guest that interacts well and conveniently with the host and its peripherals and if all I'm doing is running tax software, office365 or compile my Rust app to test it cross platform - vbox is perfectly fine. I'm not running anything demanding.
I'm not taking a stance against KVM it's great, but rather saying that for some of us it's not that big of an issue which solution to use, it just needs to be convenient.
But like... why? It's not even more convenient, virt-manager is literally zero setup (in Debian at least) and you don't need to deal with DKMS.
The kvm-guest-agent tool and some virtio drivers even exist for winblows.
When I run virt-manager on Bookworm, all it does is tell me that "xen is not connected". There is nothing to indicate that KVM is anything that virt-manager might support, or why it currently doesn't.
The best I can do is to make a VM in gnome boxes, use "ps" to capture its command line to qemu, re-format that into something that I can put into a bash script, and edit in additional options that Boxes/libvirt absolutely refuse to support.
Most of the host integration features are better in Virtualbox. On the other hand, with qemu I don't have to look at VB filling the journal with ubsan errors (and wonder if its crappy driver is corrupting shit). If VB supported KVM, I would go right back to it.
You just need to add a KVM connection.
File > Add connection > select "QEMU/KVM" > Profit
Most of the host integration features are better in Virtualbox.
Highly doubt that, specially if you're using Virtio devices and the qemu guest agents.
Aha, thank you! That's just a weird enough concept to "attach to" a local QEMU user session (where virt-manager will be the guy spinning it off anyway) that I would never have seen it.
Every newbie article about virt-manager starts with a filled list of connections, so I was down to figuring that it's cleverly detecting a missing dependency or permission and silently eliminating list entries for me.
Glad it helped! The idea is that virt-manager is semi backend agnostic. It'll doe Xen, Qemu, and LXC via libvirt, and it can do those as root, or unprivileged as well as connect to remote sessions via ssh. Pretty darn cool!
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Tried for days to get a windows 11 guest to work on KVM with virt manager. Couldn't get very good performance at all. Virtual box with guest drivers is pretty close to bare metal for me. I'd love to use KVM but can't get good performance
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I'm genuinely curious, why does VB continue to somehow remain in use, when it's lacking in features, or behind in usability, in basically every way imaginable? If you're on a Linux host, you have plenty of 1-click solutions that are incomprehensibly better than this. On Windows, Hyper-V boxes aren't horribly difficult to get running either, although from my experience, they require the same janky and hacky patches as VB does
Virtual box (for me) is the only app that has always been plug and play when I needed a VM. I've had issues with all the other ones. I still can't figure out how to get GPU passthrough to work on kvm. I tried so much the other day and failed miserably. Gave up and went back to VB.
In boxes there is a toggle that is labeled "3D acceleration" if you flip the toggle your VM will have GPU acceleration.
That's not GPU passthrough. That just enables VirGL, which is a translation layer that passes some OpenGL calls through to the host's Mesa installation. It has rather poor performance though, it's extremely limited and is rather buggy too. You certainly can't use it for cutting edge gaming.
GPU passthrough is when you pass through an entire GPU device as-is to the virtual machine. That is: if you have an Nvidia RTX 3060, the guest operating system will see an Nvidia RTX 3060 and it can use the native drivers for it. This gives you near-native performance for gaming.
Now, I didn't even know this was possible with VirtualBox (if so: cool!), but it's certainly doable with KVM if you have the right motherboard and GPU combination. I have done it, but it is quite the hassle indeed though that isn't really KVM's fault.
That's why it failed for me, I don't have an Nvidia GPU. I wanted to pass my GPU to my windows install but it never worked and I blamed kvm 🤦🏽♂️ I knew about the first part that the "3rd acceleration" isn't a full GPU passthrough, but didn't know the latter was Nvidia only.
It does work with AMD GPUs too, I did it with an RX6800XT myself, but there are some (most...) AMD GPUs that have a reset bug which means they hang if you reboot the guest and you need to powercycle the physical host machine to make the GPU usable for the guest again.
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I do what your describing (its called vfio) and it works pretty well on Proxmox.
What are the other solutions?
Virt-manager
Does it still need to reboot the guest in order to connect an USB device?
No
Vm manager, gnome boxes
Boxes
Hyper-V is not really better than Virtualbox on Windows. Virtualbox will run anywhere and that is its strength.
On Linux, you should use KVM. I assume that's what your advocating for.
How share folder host-guest without network access? Last time try need to use samba (did not get working) and then impossible to turn off vm network access. Used qemu for win 10 guest.
VB just install guest addition and disable network interface.
what are those options?
virtualbox is a simple gui i can get working fast whenever i need it to.
Cool beans. KVM is one step away from fully replacing VirtualBox and VMware for desktop virtualisation - getting a Windows 3D driver for Virtio. For use cases that can get away without it, it's already there.
AFAIK it's being worked on but time is a major issue for the person handling the MR.
I'd love to donate specifically to get Virtio/VirGL on a Windows guest. Given that VirtualBox and VMware could be on very shaky ground thanks to their owners, I think libvirt will be the long-term solution.
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What happened to being able to use VirtualBox as a front-end to KVM? That seemed like the best of both worlds.
It's still being maintained. It's a third-party project btw, but it's just a patchset so you'll need to build it yourself: https://github.com/cyberus-technology/virtualbox-kvm
Arch users can also install the virtualbox-kvm package from AUR to get it all in one go, nice and easy.
Damn, never knew such thing existed. I'll definitely give it a try. Thank you.
Why would you do that when libvirt exists and is GTK themed?
Libvirt is the backend for virtualization. Maybe you meant virtual manager? In that case it is Qt based.
Why does a virtual machine platform need to add support for different kernel versions? What changes are there in the kernel that affects how it interacts with the virtual hardware?
Virtual box is slow and buggy and it probably will always be that way. It is simply the nature of its design.
Odd, since in my experience, it's the most consistently reliable, performant, and easy to setup / use desktop vm package I've used. It always seems to "just work" when others don't
Just work? Maybe. Performance? Not great.
I guess that depends on what we are using it for. I use it for CAD / CAM software that only works in Windows (Vectric Aspire). Nothing else has been able to give me 3d previews with any kind of usable performance.
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