this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2024
430 points (89.7% liked)

Solarpunk

5463 readers
30 users here now

The space to discuss Solarpunk itself and Solarpunk related stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere.

What is Solarpunk?

Join our chat: Movim or XMPP client.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Listening to a recent episode of the Solarpunk Presents podcast reminded me the importance of consistently calling out cryptocurrency as a wasteful scam. The podcast hosts fail to do that, and because bad actors will continue to try to push crypto, we must condemn it with equal persistence.

Solarpunks must be skeptical of anyone saying it’s important to buy something, like a Tesla, or buy in, with cryptocurrency. Capitalists want nothing more than to co-opt radical movements, neutralizing them, to sell products.

People shilling crypto will tell you it decentralizes power. So that’s a lie, but solarpunks who believe it may be fooled into investing in this Ponzi scheme that burns more energy than some countries. Crypto will centralize power in billionaires, increasing their wealth and decreasing their accountability. That’s why Space Karen Elon Musk pushes crypto. The freer the market, the faster it devolves to monopoly. Rather than decentralizing anything, crypto would steer us toward a Bladerunner dystopia with its all-powerful Tyrell corporation.

Promoting crypto on a solarpunk podcast would be unforgivable. That’s not quite what happens on S5E1 “Let’s Talk Tech.” The hosts seem to understand crypto has no part in a solarpunk future or its prefigurative present. But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality. At best, I would call this disingenuous. And it reeks of the both-sides-ism that corporate media used to paralyze climate action discourse for decades.

Crypto is not “appropriate tech,” and discussing it without any clarity is inappropriate.

Update for episode 5.3: In a case of hyper hypocrisy, they caution against accepting superficial solutions---things that appear utopian but really reinforce inequality and accelerate the climate crisis---while doing exactly that by talking up cryptocurrency.

(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (8 children)

There is so much misinformation here, it's hard to know where to even start. Yes there are crypto scams, yes legacy technology consumes way too much energy.

These are all solved problems, but it you only know about crypto from scams you might think there is nothing else. Crypto solves real problems with our current financial systems.

Wouldn't hurt to read from time to time. Solar Punk is as much about technology, as it is about knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Where's the solutions? Don't say "proof of stake"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Proof of steak.

Prime rib only.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Solarpunk is not just about technology, it's specifically about being critical toward new technologies with a special emphasis on the social and environmental impacts they have.

The single largest blindspot that cryptocurrency enthusiasts have is in not recognizing that their systems are inseparable from computers, and that computers in and of themselves are an environmental disaster.

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/06/the-monster-footprint-of-digital-technology/

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I totally agree solarpunk and crypto should be separate.

however just talking about power usage - chains using “proof of stake” us something like 99.9% less power than “proof of work”. Ethereum (PoS) vs (Bitcoin) PoW power usage for example

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Solarpunk Presents Podcast is on Mastodon: @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Crypto is cypherpunk not cyberpunk.

You can create new alternative economic systems outwith existing monetary systems. Global mutual credit, local exchange trading systems, etc. There are plenty of solarpunks and leftists in crypto and have been since the start.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately an economic system is only as useful as its buy-in, and that's the hard part. If you want you fight financial hegemony, don't give wealthy people another lever of control.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago
  • “But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality.”

  • “… nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’” —Isaac Asimov

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›