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"There’s no posse and there’s no retinue and there’s no family," says Chris Hayes on Trump's arraignment. "The guy is alone. He is solo rolling with the lawyers who hope his checks clear."

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[-] [email protected] 202 points 2 years ago

At this point an indictment of Trump in the US has reached the same level as mass shootings and our dying planet. Which indictment, mass shooting or catastrophic environmental disaster are we talking about? I’m numb and have lost track amongst the desperate hopes for change.

[-] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago

Exactly this. An arraignment of a former president has become a non-event. This is ideal for Trump, regardless of how MSNBC tries to spin it.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

This is definitely some of it. Although being in DC probably also helps to tone things down. DC is a pretty blue town outside of the federal buildings.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

I can picture a world where Trump’s fervent supporters would descend upon DC and cause at least a little turbulence.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Impossible. They’d never do that.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

What i find interesting is that somehow in developing countries justice was slow but eventually it arrived. I can think of places like Peru with Fujimori. Presidents got away for a while but eventually their own justice systems made them pay. I would be surprised if somehow justice didn't prevail in this situation with Trump.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Justice has to prevail on some level if the US has any hope of protecting its democracy. This was a direct attack on the most fundamental parts of the country.

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[-] [email protected] 118 points 2 years ago

I imagine one of the prosecutors touches Trump's forehead for a few seconds, then says: "It's afraid!"

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I would like to know more.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

The only good bug is a dead bug

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[-] [email protected] 112 points 2 years ago

Most of the protesters aren't allowed near Washington DC government buildings due to their plea deals.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Headline: "Trump rawdogs own arraignment!"

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago
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[-] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago

Oh no, the consequences of his own actions.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Well, the GOP is the party of personal responsibility, right?

[-] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The fascists aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall so they're moving on. Completely expected and even if Trump gets the death penalty the threat is by no means gone. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Beard has a great quote from her book SPQR

“If the assassination of Julius Caesar became a model for the effective removal of a tyrant, it was also a powerful reminder that getting rid of a tyrant did not necessarily dispose of tyranny.”

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

An analogy I like: If you have a toxic, dangerous plant in your garden, like the Gympie Gympie maybe, do you remove it by snipping off the leaf bud at the very top, or do you pull it out roots and all?

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

The fascists aren’t stupid.

Citation needed

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Never assume the enemy is stupid. That's how you lose. If they were truly stupid they wouldn't have gotten this far and wouldn't even be a threat.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

There's a distinction to be made between the fascists—the people in power pushing fascism—and the people voting for it. The latter are ignorant and stupid. The former are wringing the country dry for money and power.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

This is a major problem with the right wing, there is no principles or loyalty or anything. It’s not the major problem, it’s just one.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Additionally, a leader is just a tool used by a collective. The collective is in power, not the leader. Trump is no longer useful to them so he is being replaced, just like how a medieval king who fails to please his court of nobles is overthrown for a king that can.

Whether you can overthrow a leader simply depends on if you're part of the collective they serve or not. The reason the general public can't get rid of corrupt politicians or near universally hated people like Bezos or Elon, is because the collective that appoints them is not the public, but much like the medieval king, they only have to answer to a small group of modern day nobles (AKA the corporations, investors, and ultra rich in general).

It's the ruling class, not the individual ruler, that calls the shots. Always. Because a single person can never enforce their rule alone, it requires a group that collectively has sufficient power to enforce their collective rule.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago

Sad that he can't Grab Them By The Posse!!!

/s

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

He's still the frontrunner for the Republican nomination by a wide margin, there is no one who is showing like they will compete, even after this most recent indictment. Republicans will still rally behind him if he gets the nomination. Unless his trials are ahead of the election, which they likely aren't, nothing will change.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

Sad trombone lol

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

What checks? They think they're getting paid?

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

He's raked in hundreds of millions in political donations since this started, they've been paid more than 40m so far

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-political-committee-has-spent-more-than-40-million-on-lawyers-fees-as-his-legal-peril-mounts

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And yet he still stiffed Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani should have seen it coming though, it’s like someone who marries a known cheater and is shocked they got cheated on.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

That’s one of the coolest things he’s ever done though. You’re redeeming Trump in my eyes right now

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Well, Rudy had a number of embarrassing moments in public that I think caused Trump to lose any respect he might have had for the former mayor. Two that I can think of, the hair dye sweating down his face and the fart picked up on mic in a courtroom.

But his worst offense, in terms of how Trump views people: he lost. He's a loser.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

You forgot their perfect press conference at the lovely Four Seasons Landscaping company.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

He's not alone. He still has millions of US voters on his side.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

keep donating to his reelection campaign. his lawyers appreciate it.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

He has to be pissed that Jarvanka took the 3 billion and booked without kicking up to the head czar

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