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I don't have much of a problem either way as I don't think I'll be engaging in political discussion on this website past this post but it seems like any sort of non-left wing opinions or posts are immediately trashed on here. That's fine. There's clearly a more liberal audience here and that's okay. I just don't want Lemmy to become a echo chamber for any side and it seems to be that way when it comes to politics already.

Mostly making this post just to drum up discussion as I'm new here.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ultimately that's like asking if they are allowed on the Web. Lemmy isn't a singular thing or a singular community. It's lots of individual communities that can choose which other communities they interact with. There will inevitably be communities or groups of communities that are more insular and ones that are more open. I guess the real question is whether the eventual major communities that interact freely with each other include right wing groups or not. That'll be something that works itself out based on to what degree everyone else is willing to interact with them. Which seems to me to be an approach to these things that most people on the right often endorse. If in this case it happens to leave them on the outside of the mainstream dialogue looking in then they should probably do some self-reflection about why their participation is undesirable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hopefully.

Liberalism is also a right wing ideology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a lot of the other posts covered my thoughts on the issue but I wanted to add something less about politics and more about lemmy itself:

unwelcome on Lemmy

There is no one Lemmy, it's a bunch of federated instances. You made this post on the beehaw instance. Some instances will have their own personality and rules, but if you don't like them, the beauty of the lemmy and the fediverse is that you can just create another instance. I haven't done a ton of searching yet, but I imagine that conservatives and right-wing personalities will carve out their own corner eventually.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine that conservatives and right-wing personalities will carve out their own corner eventually.

They have, and most of those instances have been defederated from the rest of the fediverse because they breed a bunch of toxicity and hatred that spills into other instances if you don't defederate from them. I don't know of any conservative spaces that haven't been defederated from most others tbh. I think sh.itjust.works still federates with a lot of them though, at least last I heard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're having a vote on it right now. It's been a month since the community at large asked for defederation, and will be friday at the earliest before they defederate. In that timeframe, users of sh.itjust.works have skewed farther and farther right and gotten more and more toxic (@[email protected] can help discuss this as they originated from sh.itjust.works before moving here), and whereas sh.itjust.works started as the instance I felt more confident about refederating with someday, lemmy.world has done more to crack down on the kinds of behavior that got their instance defederated in the first place. It seems that @[email protected] has a similar philosophy to what we do over here, but wants more permissive signups under the belief that streamlined community joins will grow the community more organically than checking beforehand that users will follow the rules of the road.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can confirm. Sh.itjust.works has gone to shit and several of the responses I've received - and the areas where they (the admins and moderators that is) have remained conspicuously unresponsive - indicate to me that they are, by and large, quite sympathetic to alt-right views, hence their very slow delay. I get the impression that they come at this from an Enlightened Centrist angle, so I don't think they consider themselves sympathetic. it's that kind of sympathy where they think it's fair to equally tolerate group A that just wants to exist and group B that openly calls for violence against group A. Both sides amirite?

I don't really want to get down to it too much more than that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been a fence sitter and contrarian for most of my life. As a person that hates how both parties operate and I firmly believe that structural and systematic changes need to happen to the US system of governance. For that to happen we need those that have conservative viewpoints in order to create a balanced system in which we all can live in. It's disconcerting to see the vitriol espoused from both sides of the (US) political spectrum. It's feels like a pendulum swinging wider and wider threatening to throw itself off.

I'm a firm believer to the Forward Party's thesis that a minority of voters is now dictating policy being done to the detriment of the majority. I believe that the system allows for bomb throwers like Lauren Boebert to exist because she only has to represent a vocal minority. I believe that dark money from superPACs is manipulating public discourse to the point that rational discourse is almost impossible.

I guess what I'm getting at is that there are those that believe in the old guard republicanism and conservatism, the small government and fiscally conservative ideals/planks. We should allow those voices to speak up if only for forming ideas and policy that the majority of us can accept. I don't know, it just feels that as we grow more divided in our politics the harder it will be to create new polices and visions for a better Country. The adage from Clausewitz always comes to mind, "war is a continuation of policy by other means."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yes, they are completely unwelcome. Anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is immediately labeled a “fascist” as as justification to dunk on them. Doesn’t matter how civil or well-argued their opinions are. Don’t believe me? Just wait a few hours and then look at the responses to this comment.

If you care AT ALL about fairness and balance of opinions, then this is absolutely not the instance for you.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So, I commented earlier about why right-wing opinions are trash in general, but I realized that I never addressed the meat of your question, which was: "Are[sic] Conservative/Right-Wing opinions completely unwelcome on Lemmy?". Which, I've gotta say, is an incredibly stupid fucking question. Lemmy is a federated space, which means that anybody can set up their own server, with their own rules, and be part of the wider "Lemmy". A much better question, since you're posting on beehaw.org is: "Are Conservative / Right-Wing opinions completely unwelcome on Beehaw?", which is answerable based on knowledge of the administrator(s) of Beehaw.

But, really, any fascist dipshit with a spare server and an internet connection can start their own Lemmy instance, and they'd fucking love your stupid fucking Right-Wing Opinions.

So, in short, your question is stupid, and your opinions are trash. Thank you, and goodnight.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy seems to like the idea of using PT and Bikes, technically that is conservative.

Same with giving up suburbs, the old ways of living in dense cities is technically conservative lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Eh, words change over time, and I think it would be pretty disingenuous to suggest that this is still the case.

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