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[–] 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Ukrainian/USA backed terrorists I guarantee.

RT reports at least 40 killed and a hundred injured. Numbers probably going to go up.

And the thing is, this is even more pointless than your average terrorist attack, this is pure blood-lust and desire to butcher Russian civilians KNOWING it won't change anything because Russia has suffered deadlier attacks including on children in the past 25 years and they didn't deter it in Chechnya or any other regions. So even the usual justification for butchering civilians that it will shock the government or people into change is a known factor, a false one with this specific country.

This is just the start. The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.

I also guarantee that the US and west will try their hardest to spin this as a bunch of disgruntled Russians upset about Putin's authoritarian rule and that their weapons, training, idea just poofed out of thin air. Else it could be IS type extremists who are of course a western puppet and would only be in Russia at CIA insistence. They can't allow wholesome bean Ukraine to be associated with this type of behavior despite it being exactly the SBU's modus operandi. Doesn't matter whether the attackers were native Russians or what, guarantee if they aren't IS that they were trained, radicalized, motivated, probably armed by SBU which is a proxy subsidiary of the CIA.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Liberals already in agreement this is a false flag by Russia to checks notes justify invading ukraine.

    Once again, indistinguishable from Alex Jones as far as political analysis but still somehow unbelievably smug.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    When your understanding of geopolitics is "Putin is a saturday morning cartoon villain and Ukraine are the heroes" you kind of have to make the most logical leaps to justify something like this. They aren't capable of nuance.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    The US is not happy about the results of Ukraine and intends to severely punish the Russian people for choosing Putin again and for withstanding their sanctions.

    Honestly, I can't help but look forward to when the tables turn, and the world inevitably gets in at least some punishment on the west in turn. It can't and won't be an eye for an eye - because frankly, alongside how wrong that would be, there is simply not enough of the west to do so- there would be nothing left of the west in such a scenario, and even then their debts would not be resolved- but it will be in, if nothing else, distrust and distancing as other options develop, and in all the social backlash that centuries of westerners plaguing the rest of humanity with genocides, slavery, and imperialism will have earned.

    I say this all as someone living in the west myself- and frankly, if and when I get the hell out, I certainly would only ever, having experienced living in the west myself, caution and promote a distrust, disinvestment, and defensive if not outright hostile stance towards the west. As I see it, it's the sad truth that I would like nothing more than to be false, and the only good advice one could ever give, knowing how the western imperial cores are like- what racist, supremacist, liberal, etc. poisons lurk within our societies, and what the nature of our institutions are, etc.

    500 years of atrocities, culminating in decades of global hegemony and unmatched arrogance have wrought their toll on the west, and anyone claiming otherwise, or that it can be easily washed away, is naive. And this is alongside the nature of capitalism, and imperialism in particular, which dominates the west; the only sensible approach to these societies as I see it is one which forever watches its back, which constantly expects the worst (because either way, the worst will come to pass), which knows that no matter the present circumstances, one is dealing with- particularly in the western institutions and elite, rabid dogs which in will inevitably, in due time, attack and devour everything in their sight without restraint. These are societies whose contradictions drive them to, even when they are at the top of the world, cannibalize and destroy their own peoples in turn; these are societies that have been unable to change their core, imperialist, racist, monstrous character even over the course of centuries (with Russia as the exception proving the rule, and showing just how extensive the efforts must be even in a country which had never stooped to quite the same lows as its west European/Anglo peers, and even then how precarious the results also will be, in cleansing the colonial, or colonizer's, mindset from their society).

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    [–] 53 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Looking forward to westerners justifying this at the same time they condemn Hamas violent resistance.

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    [–] [S] 47 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Notably, US embassy made a statement that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and US citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours a couple of weeks ago.

    https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Yeah well, “extremists” of what variety? Western media calls RDK “patriots who love their country and hate Putin”.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Then why kill the people they love so much? This is obviously russophobic driven terrorism, the cowards are shooting indiscriminately at innocent people, you need to see them as animals to be able to do it that easily. Definitely organized by NATO/US.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I doubt any plan got delayed by 2 weeks if it was meant to happen immediately. There are a lot of angles here.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Why? US has delayed plans by months before. Who knows what operational reasons they might have had.

    Also something of this scale the US probably didn't want to directly tip its hand. So it warned people weeks in advance, specified a false timeline knowing most Americans likely to heed it anyways would probably avoid such gatherings for even longer than that.

    Also could have been Ukrainian SBU, the certain parts of the US learned of it or were informed, issued that alert and maybe knowing their chances were worse with that alert out they rescheduled and tried to keep it from the Americans next time.

    Edit: Now it's being claimed it's IS(IS) who is claiming responsibility. IS is an arm's length plausibly deniable CIA proxy. They knew what they were going to do, but they may not have known when or had control of when as is the case with proxies (they may have even known when but tipping their hand caused a change in plans and had it pushed back). Needless to say even if one doesn't accept IS as a CIA proxy, the US is ultimately responsible for the creation of the group and its power via their campaign against Assad. Thus the US is responsible once again for the deaths of many Russian civilians.

    I would not be surprised if they try again with more, the US would love to turn Russia's attention to Syria, to split it's military operations between that and Ukraine to give Ukraine more time.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    This is what Victionary Nuland must have meant by "nasty surpises".
    Terrorist attacks.
    She was talking about terrorist attacks.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I would prefer not to jump to a conclusion, but the response from the Ukrainians is going to say it all. If they condemn the attack, then alright it was probably someone else...but if they insist it's a false flag and that Russia just massacred their own people then they probably had a hand in it. Stand by for NAFO "memes" on the subject.

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    Just horrible

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    Horrible. My heart goes out to everyone who has been killed or injured and their families.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    Definitely USA backed terrorists, they "warned" muricans about staying in public places in Moscow in the beginning of the month

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    If Ukraine had anything to do with this, Russia will exact it's revenge, and it will not be pretty for anyone

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Medvedev already made a statement that if it was Ukraine then Russia will start eliminating their senior leadership.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I feel like if they had the capability of doing so they would've already done so...

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    enemy senior leadership are sometimes needed to be alive, when you have a trusted enemy leader, it'll be easier to have him surrender and most of his population and soldiers will stop the attacks, but when you assassinate the leader it'll create smaller factions and less trust in the newer ones and it will be a nightmare to make a peace agreement because the leader that was put in place after the assassination doesn't control shit.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 2 years ago

    I don't think so because eliminating them wouldn't actually solve anything since the actual decision making centres are in the west. The puppet regime in Ukraine is also deeply incompetent and generally hated by the public. So, it made sense to just let the clown show go on until now.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The news is saying ISIS. No one's buying it.

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  • [+] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    This makes me so mad. Seeing the venue completely engulved in flames is also crazy. Don't want to give a definite answer for who it was, but this seems eloborate enough to be a NATO operation.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Is the West prepared for what's to come when Putin finally hardens his heart?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I think this is exactly the plan. Biden needs Europe to be at war to trigger a mass exodus of (mostly) white Europeans fleeing war and poverty to America to make the dream of the Fourth Reich possible. The purging of Chinese students, academics and immigrants cannot possibly be done without them being replaced by another group of immigrants at the same time.

    I mean no offense to the people who think that Trump is someone who can turn America into a full-blown white supremacist state, but they’re dead wrong. Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Without the ruthlessness of Biden, Trump could never get it off the ground in a million years.

    This. If Republicans tried to do it the opposition from the population would be too much. It takes a Democrat administration to get the masses to consent to fascism. Democrats are experts at demobilizing popular resistance movements.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 years ago

    From what we've seen so far, Russia doesn't really respond to provocations. I expect they may do some high level assassinations in Ukraine to make a point, but otherwise I predict that they're just going to keep methodically grinding down Ukrainian army until it collapses. I do think that any chance of negotiations with the current regime are gone now though.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    At what point, does world war become preferable? In Gaza I would argue that point has been reached long ago; now for Russia, here is yet another provocation. Meanwhile US troops are violating Chinese sovereignty, across rogue Taipei and even Kinmen island.

    Eventually, I'm almost certain it will come- frankly, it may likely be preferable even when and as it comes, if not now already, for all the human cost (that I can and do recognize). The neocons and the western establishment writ large are every bit as deranged as the historical Nazis, if not more so- and their bloodthirst has shown itself over the decades (if one isn't simply counting centuries) to be every bit its equal as well. It must end.

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