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[–] [email protected] 90 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Personally, I'm more interested in this from a legal perspective than I am from a moral one. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, morally, but I'm fascinated to see if the case gets up, what other implications it could have.

But also:

The opportunity to extend the performance aspect of Ladies Lounge was embraced by the artist and 25 female supporters, who entered Tuesday’s tribunal hearing wearing a uniform of navy business attire. Throughout the day’s proceedings, they engaged in discreet synchronised choreographed movements, including leg crossing, leaning forward together and peering over the top of their spectacles. Apart from the gentle swish of 25 pairs of nylon clad legs crossing in unison, the support party remained silent. When the proceedings concluded, the troupe exited the tribunal to the Robert Palmer song Simply Irresistible.

Sublime.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Chefs kiss🤌💅

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you not have men's clubs in Australia like Masons, Elks, Eagles, Moose, etc.?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We have clubs that are open to men only, as well as clubs open to women only.

I'm not sure whether this person is genuinely unaware of this, or whether he's making a lot of noise explicitly to draw attention to the art exhibit as some form of marketing. Neither would surprise me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think the men-only clubs have either been granted special exemptions, or pre-date legislation and are grandfathered-in.

EDIT - After a quick look, it turns out:

The NSW anti-discrimination law permits registered clubs to restrict membership on the basis of gender

(from: https://archive.is/02dke)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Amazing public relations campaign if this is all part of a marketing thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Respect for the choreographed movements during the tribunal.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s great. Funny, clever. Pretentious as fuck. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

This was a magnificent troll and someone took the bait. Let her take the art to the next level.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

This seems like a lose-lose for the gallery. If they lose in court, it will likely cost them financially. If they win in court, potentially everyone who wants to discriminate will rely on the precedent and claim it's art. I imagine the artist is wealthy and hoping to lose to make a point, at which point she could open it up and it will still have its artistic validity through the story of its history.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Meanwhile in the UK, this old relic is in the news today, remaining men-only despite the law demanding otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The creator of an art installation that has become the subject of a formal anti-discrimination complaint says she is “absolutely delighted” that the case has ended up in Tasmania’s civil and administrative tribunal.

The opportunity to extend the performance aspect of Ladies Lounge was embraced by the artist and 25 female supporters, who entered Tuesday’s tribunal hearing wearing a uniform of navy business attire.

Lau argued that denying men access to some of the museum’s most important works (there is a Sidney Nolan, a Pablo Picasso and a trove of antiquities from Mesopotamia, Central America and Africa in the women-only space) is discriminatory.

An experience in a pub on Flinders Island several years ago, when Kaechele and a girlfriend were advised by male patrons that they would feel “more comfortable” retiring to the ladies lounge, inspired the work.

The Californian-born artist was not aware that ladies lounges are a feature of Australia’s recent social history, and that Australian women were not allowed to enter public bars until 1965.

Mona’s lawyer Catherine Scott told Guardian Australia the case was an unusual one because the artwork was both a physical entity – a lounge – and a piece of performance art.


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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I don't agree with sectioning off artworks and artifacts and restricting it to one gender, I'd also say this is the artworks and artifacts where restricted to males as well

This doesn't mean I disagree with woman's only spaces where they can feel safe, I only disagree with the ones that are trans exclusionary

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The article explicitly says that the ladies lounge is only off limits to people who don't identify as female. Trans women are allowed in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I read through the ABC article on this yesterday, and I'm pretty sure it said that people who identify as women are also welcome in the installation.