76
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Some idiot told me that I don't talk like a woman, that I talk like a man. Not that my voice sounds masculine (it doesn't) but that I "use masculine words or phrases" what the fuck does that even mean?

If there's a better community to post this please let me know and I'll delete this and post it again there.

Edit: They aren't a man, they're a woman. She definitely gave off the JK Rowling TERF vibes though.

all 23 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Correct answer.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

Not sure where you're located, but maybe he was expecting the fundie baby voice instead of, you know, a person. My guess is that he's insecure, and any woman who speaks with a modicum of confidence threatens his fragile masculinity.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. I think I "talk like a woman" and in certain areas make a conscious effort not to. Women tend to use more qualifiers and are less definite in their statements. I will be 100% right and still say "I think" or "maybe". It's the whole confident women are bossy women thing. It's not true at all, but there's still so much of that mentality.

They were probably just trying to say something offensive, but if it means anything it's likely just that you're confident and knowledgeable, because thanks to misogyny that's what we think men sound like and not what we think women sound like. Take it as a compliment if anything. It's possible you were just being effortlessly correct lol. And obviously that's what women sound like if you're a woman and that's what you sound like.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I'm guessing you have the audacity to speak more directly and unapologetically. For example, if you were at the table and you needed the salt, a stereotypical polite man way to say it would be "Pass the salt, please." And a stereotypical woman way might be "sorry, can you pass the salt, please?"

I'm not sure how deep this person's thoughts go, but she might be expecting some more "squee," cutesy or baby type phrases, said with a higher pitch instead of speaking with fewer qualifiers in a flatter tone.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Men on average seem more aggressive, more willing to interrupt, more direct, less apologetic, and less expressive and do less emotional labor. They also demand more physical space, and are much more willing to take or move into women's physical space.

These are traits and behaviors that might make someone feel you're more "masculine" - but these are traits women can embody as well, as ZDL points out, it's not an essence. While some of it probably relates to our biology (which is more varied and complex than most realize), a lot of the behavior is from social programming, e.g. based on the social norms around us and the way we are raised as kids and so on.

Still, someone might think a woman is "masculine" or "butch" for behaving "like a man". That's just the social context we live in, how gender is manifesting.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Better said than me. Noticed this type of thing even more blatant during my career progression in a male-dominated field.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

absolutely, it's enough to make you want to avoid those fields - it can feel so hostile and toxic

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

My Reply to him: What a fking stupid thing to say, men never fail to surprise me with their stupidity.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Her friend that made the comment was a woman. See the edit.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Ah, I know. You didn't giggle enough. Or something.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yes some hair tossing would have helped. Also phrases like "don't ask me, I'm just a girl!"

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

That sounds like straight up sexism to me.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Seems like a fine community to post in, if you consider your self woman-identified. (See sidebar.)

Obviously, it's wrong to gatekeep ways people talk. That idiot should shut up -- you can talk however you like. But I'll answer the question you asked -- "what the fuck does that even mean?"

From a linguistic perspective, there is a notion of masculine and feminine speech patterns -- that is, phrases or words that are most frequently used by women and phrases that are most frequently used by men. In languages other than English, this is often easy to spot -- for instance, in japanese, there are pseudo-gendered first-person pronouns. Similarly, "umai" (tasty) is often considered more masculine than "oishii" (tasty). In English though, it's much less common. I could think of "honey" or "dear" -- e.g. "ohh, honey, no!" or "hello my dear" are rather feminine phrases -- in my life, I have mostly heard women use those words in that way, and when men use them they tend to be considered "effeminate." It's also apparently more common for men to say "uh" and for women to say "um."

There are probably subtle differences in how often various phrases are used by men vs women if you were to carefully make a tally -- but honestly why bother. That's just descriptivism. To say that men and women should speak in different ways is prescriptivist, and just plain wrong. So I wouldn't worry about the way you speak -- if somebody is upset with that, it is that person who is wrong, not you. As someone whose partner is a tomboy/butch woman, I must say I wouldn't expect her to switch to using more feminine speech patterns.

If it's concerning to you anyway, something you can keep in mind is the well-known linguistic phenomenon that new ways of speaking tend to flow from women to men more than vice versa. This is true in every culture studied so far as I know. For instance, it used to be considered an exceptionally feminine thing to say "like" all the time "he was like, ..." "that's so, like, ..." but now it's pretty ubiquitous. So if your speech doesn't sound feminine today, it might have sounded overtly feminine just 25 years ago.

this post was submitted on 07 May 2025
76 points (92.2% liked)

WomensStuff

772 readers
324 users here now

Women only trans inclusive This is an inclusive community for all things women. Whether you're here for make up tips, feminism or just friendly chit chat, we've got you covered.

Rules…

  1. Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a women's community is a good fit for them.
  2. Don’t be a dick. No personal attacks, no aggression, play nice.
  3. Don’t hate on groups, hatefilled talk about groups is not allowed. Ever.
  4. No governmental politics, so no talk of Trump actions etc. We recommend [email protected] for that, but here is an escape from it.
  5. New accounts or users with few comments may have their posts removed to prevent spam and bad-faith participation.

founded 2 months ago
MODERATORS