where parental rights are so extreme and out of control that parents can hire people to abduct their child in the dead of night off to a Holes-esque labor camp, if not a "conversion therapy" brainwashing camp.

this reminds me of when I sat down and read this:

https://elan.school/

some of these camps are just so fucked up

for real, I see a woman in every photo, what a dream 😊

amazing, but this feels like one of those "woman to woman" transitions XD

How do you feel over time, and any advice or words of wisdom to share wth baby trans girls?

I get all of that, I'm not here to judge, I was just kinda authentically curious.

Let me know if you have any questions, I have plenty of personal experience as well as facts I'm willing to talk about, this is obviously an important topic to me.

and transitioning at 14 might on average result in a person integrating into cis-normative society more easily than transitioning after puberty in their 20s, this means less dysphoria, less job discrimination, less chance of being a hate crime statistic, etc. - we need to make it much easier for trans kids to get the help they need so they live healthier and happier lives.

We just don't have any evidence or reason to think trans kids are very likely to be wrong about transitioning, and we meanwhile have a mountain of evidence telling us treatment is very effective and has unusually low regret rates ... this is just so obvious from a medical and scientific viewpoint, the only hangup seems to be cultural lag.

that's actually a good point, what is relevant for a clinican to evaluate a child's self awareness about their gender? Is being younger than 18 actually empirically relevant to that awareness?

Regardless, let's say we don't trust a kid's self knowledge, how does a cis child know they are cis? Should cis children be forced to take puberty blockers because they don't really know their gender until they are 18? What is the relevant difference for a trans child?

Trans kids don't have access to surgeries, so we are talking about taking puberty blockers - which are low risk and reversible, and have been used for nearly half a century.

Even if you still think they can't choose, are you saying kids shouldn't be allowed to consent to other consequential medical decisions? What about the same exact treatment, but for cis kids? Nobody seems upset that cis kids are taking the same puberty blockers for precocious puberty let alone that cis girls can have breast reduction or augmentation surgeries (treatment trans kids don't have equal access to).

So what's the difference, why is it only suddenly a problem when the gender affirming treatment is trans?

and you better have gametes to prove you can pee there

That would be like someone saying that people receiving treatment for HIV are still more immuno compromised than the general population.....well yeah, but treatment vastly improves their total outcomes.

this illustrates it so well, well done

I'm happy to discuss, but I'm curious why you are more interested in discussion than a literature review that summarizes the empirical evidence that answers your questions- is it just not as accessible? You might try reading the Gender Dysphoria Bible, it's more accessible to lay audiences.

Also, whether kids should be allowed to make those decisions tends to only come up when those decisions are for trans children, nobody is wringing their hands about whether cis children are allowed the exact same consequential gender affirming care, such as puberty blockers for precocious puberty or nose jobs or boob jobs for minors. Trans children don't even typically have access to the gender affirming surgeries cis children do, so the only relevant debate is whether puberty blockers are acceptable- which isn't a debate we have for cis children mind you, for some reason we're only worried when the kid has gender dysphoria (a condition we know is genetic and which has effective treatment through gender affirming care, the science isn't controversial).

And to answer your question, the evidence we have points to regret rates being low (like, exceptionally low, lower than most medical treatments).

ah, maybe I should clarify when I said looting wouldn't have majority support, I was assuming a context where a populist movement (i.e. made up of the majority) was trying to find strategies to gain some economic independence such that they can afford a general strike- mutual aid might be a popular option (as well as how unions use their funds from dues to pay work on strike), but my point is only that looting is likely to be an unpopular option, and thus one that would harm the movement's reputation and ability to remain supported by the majority on which it depends.

I did not mean that in absolute terms anything must justify its existence through majority support, as you pointed out that's not how the world works.

even for Oglaf this is pretty wtf