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From Prof. Eliot Jacobson:

Wow! Wow! Wow!

North Atlantic sea surface temperature anomalies are going vertical again. And yes, I needed to extend the y-axis.

Yesterday's temperature of 24.49°C (76.08°F) was 4.2σ above the 1991-2020 mean. The previous high for July 17 was 23.71°C (74.68°F) in 2020.

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1681321023306874880

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Imagine a bull in a china shop destroying everything, now there is two options :

  • 1- you take the bull out of the shop
  • 2- you decide that it would be to inconvenient to take the bull out but you are sure that in a few decades we will invent a technology that can repair the China faster than the bull is destroying it.

Carbon capture is the option 2, we continue to break the carbon molecules for energy pretending that we can recapture later. It's not gonna happen, we need to stop emitting NOW and maybe we can think about carbon capture.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently the scale that's required makes it completely impractical, especially given the timelines that are also required.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a pipe dream at the scale we need it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only in the way that can be monetized or industrialized, and only if we actually cut down on emissions (instead of just slowing the growth rate a little)

There's plastic bottles everywhere. There's people everywhere. What if every human spent an hour a day on little algae bioreactors? It's grade school level science, all you need is bottles, non-potable water, a knife, and any old cloth to strain it out.

And, of course, algae... But once you get started, that'll be easy to come by. It'll even naturally adapt to local conditions, and there's versions that can be used as food - the rest can be dried and used as fertilizer. It not only provides nutrients and increases water retention, it also helps mycillium regrow, repairing the soil. This also reduces runoff and feeds into water tables

Ever since this idea popped into my head, I've felt there's something there - I met someone working for a company that is doing this commercially, and I can't help but think if we can do it in a distributed manner it could help with a lot of issues

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No incentive, even for biochar for terra preta.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Gamify it. Everyone starts out with a basic setup. The organization coordinating the effort can add additional incentives. Add achievements, unlockables, larger setups, rare algaes and algae colors. Loot boxes with various supplies. Three factions that compete against each other. Leaderboards, both local and global.

It would be simultaneously competitive and cooperative towards a common goal.