this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2024
137 points (96.6% liked)
Asklemmy
44170 readers
1425 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy π
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- [email protected]: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Probably because they're basically poison that has to be filtered out and fucks up your liver and kidneys.
If we forbid things just because they are mildly toxic, we would need to forbid almost everything. Including oxygen and water.
False,
"No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health" - https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
There is a safe level of oxygen and water you not only can, but must take. Your phrase sounds cool, but it's 100% misinformation.
and bacon.
Alcohol is pretty significantly toxic, especially compared to oxygen and water.
I'm not in favour of banning it outright, but alcohol is more dangerous than some drugs that are illegal in many parts of the world, including the US.
Oh yeah, a lot of people die because they drink too much water. Don't forget how moch money is wasted because people break shit and beat each other up when theu are high on water.
Isn't that more a social issue? Getting drunk and becoming violent isn't a cause-effect. Someone that becomes abusive after drinking would be abusive without alcohol as well, that's just a trigger for the behavior.
This is closer to an actual answer, though. It's easier to remove drinking than to change drinking culture. It just didn't work the last time they tried to ban alcohol (in the USA), so if behavior around drinking is the issue that is trying to be solved there are probably other ways to go about it.
Alcohol is popular because also improves your socialization, could be linked perfectly, but I'm not an expert to say it. And smoking cigarettes is also bad and isn't banned, while weed is safer than those two addictions, and it's still mostly illegal. There are reasons, and hippies are probably the cause, government wanted to criminalize them and their love movement. If alcohol keeps you down, and quiet, the government will not care to ban even if it's bad for your health, they need the companies to keep winning money.
Ok, but there are plenty of other items that that do that as well. It's not a call out of "all drugs, including tobacco and alcohol". It's not a callout of microplastics. So there's something specific to alcohol.
Being widespread. One bad set of laws in bad place in bad time (propination laws in eastern Europe in XVIII-XIX century) caused untold suffering and is keenly felt to this day, showing how easily hundreds of millions of people can be fucked up by poisonous commodity.
I'm not for entirely banning alcohol, but only because it would be rather futile, but for restrictions in its selling and far going educational campaigns to finally get rid of it - and it is possible, even if not entirely, looking at the decline of consumption of other poison, tobacco.