▲ 416 ▼ Enshittification Continues: Discord to begin showing advertisements on it's free platform (archive.is) submitted 2 years ago by empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@beehaw.org 78 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/17617609 They supposedly can be disabled in settings- but we all know that won't last. They're going full Microsoft Skype mode and it's only a matter of time.
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hope we get some comparable options yet, I only know of matrix and that one allegedly has tons of security and performance issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you list some security/performance/feature comparison between matrix and discord? I don't have the need for these class of product, but I am trying to get the hype behind discord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't know about discord issues, the hype behind is it mostly that it's free, very convenient, feature rich and can easily integrate bots. Its the go-to place to build communities nowadays. Matrix issues that I read about can be seen here https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 . I haven't done my own research tho so I don't know if all of this is (still) true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reddthat@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mattermost does most of the required discord features. (Pun intended) Is open source and is selfhost-able. I think there are some SaaS hosters if you need them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] femtech@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, some of us tried to get our work to that but higher ups went with rocket chat. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nia_The_Cat@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's often not the cost of the software, but the hosting costs, especially on a growing platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago I think it's why many decentralised platforms don't want very big instances, and prefer them to split off into smaller federated sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 15 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hope we get some comparable options yet, I only know of matrix and that one allegedly has tons of security and performance issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you list some security/performance/feature comparison between matrix and discord? I don't have the need for these class of product, but I am trying to get the hype behind discord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't know about discord issues, the hype behind is it mostly that it's free, very convenient, feature rich and can easily integrate bots. Its the go-to place to build communities nowadays. Matrix issues that I read about can be seen here https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 . I haven't done my own research tho so I don't know if all of this is (still) true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reddthat@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mattermost does most of the required discord features. (Pun intended) Is open source and is selfhost-able. I think there are some SaaS hosters if you need them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] femtech@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, some of us tried to get our work to that but higher ups went with rocket chat. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nia_The_Cat@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you list some security/performance/feature comparison between matrix and discord? I don't have the need for these class of product, but I am trying to get the hype behind discord. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't know about discord issues, the hype behind is it mostly that it's free, very convenient, feature rich and can easily integrate bots. Its the go-to place to build communities nowadays. Matrix issues that I read about can be seen here https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 . I haven't done my own research tho so I don't know if all of this is (still) true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't know about discord issues, the hype behind is it mostly that it's free, very convenient, feature rich and can easily integrate bots. Its the go-to place to build communities nowadays. Matrix issues that I read about can be seen here https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 . I haven't done my own research tho so I don't know if all of this is (still) true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Almost all of those issues are due to federation. Lemmy shares most of them. Considering that we're on Lemmy, I'd say it's mostly a non-issue for us. Maybe use something else for encryption-required communications, but other than that it sounds fine to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lemmy is a public forum, discord servers are usually for invite-only, more closed-off communities, and we're not talking about a lemmy replacement but rather how this is inadequate as a discord replacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago That's true, but the vast majority of the issues aren't related to that. The majority of the issues in the article (if you read them you'd know) are about replication. They're about whether the timing of posts, deletions, bans, and things like that possibly not being replicated perfectly across all instances. Lemmy has the same issues, but I haven't noticed them causing problems yet. They would be even less of a problem in a private discord-like environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tlf@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just because I use Lemmy doesn't mean I was able to convince anyone of my social circle to join (with lack of content as the primary reason). Building communities requires users and a lack of those is an issue with many FOSS projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago That's true. Unrelated to the issues in the article, but it is something that makes it hard to switch over. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reddthat@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mattermost does most of the required discord features. (Pun intended) Is open source and is selfhost-able. I think there are some SaaS hosters if you need them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] femtech@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, some of us tried to get our work to that but higher ups went with rocket chat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] femtech@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, some of us tried to get our work to that but higher ups went with rocket chat. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Nia_The_Cat@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's often not the cost of the software, but the hosting costs, especially on a growing platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago I think it's why many decentralised platforms don't want very big instances, and prefer them to split off into smaller federated sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago I think it's why many decentralised platforms don't want very big instances, and prefer them to split off into smaller federated sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago I think it's why many decentralised platforms don't want very big instances, and prefer them to split off into smaller federated sites. permalink fedilink source parent