Memes

One of them claimed he had many friends who lost everything they had, presumably he meant start-ups, he knew a lot of those.

You've got to wonder how people can still believe in capitalism when they give direct or semi-direct experience of so many new businesses going under. At this point, I like to get them in my side by pointing out how big capitalists have market advantages, which makes it so difficult for ordinary people to become rich by working hard.

As you say, you've got to question the intellectual honesty because they'll often agree but then go off on one about minimum wage being the real barrier or something equally asinine.