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I wish we had two better people running. I don’t see Trump as a “Republican”. He’s his own beast. I know people from all parties who jumped on his bandwagon.
I’m not overly thrilled with the current Republicans but I’m hoping the next generation will get us back on track. I want to see less religion in the party, less social conservatism and pro-business but not a slave to companies.
We already see the next generation of republicans as less socially conservative and more pro environment.
Hmm it's an interesting use of the words "social conservatism" to describe people who would vote for someone with 91 criminal charges.
Most those charges are banana republic crap. They are attacks on his politics. That’s how scared the democrats are of Trump.
Social conservatives are more focused two adult males having sex than the trumped up charges.
I don’t care if two men have sex as long as I don’t have to see it. I believe the government should stay out of things that are not harmful.
Trump was most recently indicted on 13 criminal counts by a Fulton County grand jury in Georgia state court related to his alleged attempts to overturn the results of Georgia’s 2020 presidential election.
Separately, Trump was indicted by a federal grand jury on 4 counts in a criminal proceeding in Washington, D.C., also related to his alleged attempts to overturn the will of the voters and interfere with the 2020 presidential election results.
Trump has also been indicted by a different federal grand jury in Florida on 40 counts in relation to both obstructing an investigation into, and his unlawful retention of classified documents after his presidential term.
Finally, Trump has been indicted on 34 counts in a criminal proceeding in New York State Court related to hush money payments made to an adult film star during the 2016 presidential campaign.
All of the grand juries that decided to indict Trump were are made up of local citizens randomly chosen from the jury pool.
Grand juries don't decide guilt. They decide if there is enough cause to send to a trial. Finding enough people to send it to trial isn't that hard.
Look at Georgia and how much silliness is going on there. Only one prosecutor said they would take the case. If she is disqualified, the case will be dropped. The fact that everyone denied the case is pretty telling of the quality of the charges.
Trump held onto documents, and the courts must decide on this one since it is a complex issue. Interestingly, Biden did the same thing, yet he was declared too feeble-minded to be prosecuted. It's not a great look when he wants to be president.
The 34 counts are bogus.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-felony-charges-legal-experts-indictment-falsifying-business-records/
One of the arguments is he paid off Stormy, as his sleeping with a porn star might hurt his chances of being the president. It is so silly it's absurd. The people voting for Trump in 2016 likely saw that as a positive. The whole argument falls apart when you understand the people who voted for Trump in 2016.
So far I have seen nothing other than Banana Republic level stuff. It is a shame the Democrats are so afraid of Trump winning that they go full banana republic. If you have noticed, it has only increased Trump's appeal.
I had debated strongly about voting for him in the next election, but all these Trumped-up changes have made me decide to vote for Trump.
I'm not here to argue with you. I don't care about your feelings just the facts. You can look into the charges further at your own leisure. I'm not here to debate them with you. And I'm definitely not here for what aboutisms. If somebody breaks the law and gets caught then a trial is commenced based on evidence. If you can't get enough evidence to convince a grand jury to indite then there is clearly not a case.
I am stating facts. The charges are political.
Just because a grand jury agreed, doesn’t mean it’s a good case. It’s why the Georgia case is falling apart quickly. Should have never went to a grand jury.
Even if convicted, Trump can still be president.
Yes.This says a lot about about America as a whole.
https://www.thecollector.com/jesus-christ-trial-judicial-errors/
Interesting but I don't see the relevance to the discussion at hand. Our Lord and Savior never tried to interfere with any elections.
Jesus was wrongly persecuted.
Well it just goes to show the hypocrisy of evangelical and socially conservative voters. Jesus never said anything about gay people but there is a direct quote from Jesus in the book of Matthew about divorce. Trump is on his third wife and was unfaithful at least once if news reports are to be believed.
What a choice: The old and confused current president hands out bombs with one hand and humanitarian aid with the other. The other option is a rapist and criminal up to his eyeballs in debt for his misdeeds. These are symptoms of a system that is breaking down.
Trump has never been convicted of rape. Liberals keep repeating that but it’s a a libelous comment to make. Trump has never been charged with rape
"Trump is a convicted rapist" and "Trump is a rapist" are not the same.
He wasn't convicted due to the statute of limitations (~12 years for rape). We don't need to have a conviction to know he is a rapist.
So quit the bullshit.
Simping over trump. I wonder how you people will look back in this in 10 or 15 years.
Facts are not simping. Trump has not been convicted or even charged with rape.
Why do you hate facts? It’s strange how the left lies then thinks if they repeat them lie, someone will believe them.
You don't need to be convicted in a court to be a rapist, nor to be called a rapist. Convicted in a court requires the highest burden of proof. That's not the level of proof we require for general discussions, nor is it for who should or shouldn't be a candidate for president.
You actually do. If we used the same criteria we used for Trump then Biden is a rapist as well.
So then OJ isn't a murderer, is that your stance?
No, OJ is not a murderer. He was acquitted of a crime.
Tara Reade. There is more evidence that Tara Reade was assaulted by Biden than Trump assaulted Jean.
So the civil jury that found him guilty committed libel? If someone is found guilty of voluntary manslaughter, you think that means people in casual conversation couldn't call them a murderer?
If you want to call biden a rapist because you think Tara Reade's account is credible, that's fine. Go for it. But people are allowed to look at the facts as they see them and make judgments. And just because a jury doesn't convict someone that doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime
I don't know any educated people who would. He was not convicted of murder, and legal libel is a low standard to meet.
There is zero evidence that Trump committed rape on Jean. She doesn't know the most basic facts. I get you dislike Trump, but banana courts are just damaging to the whole country.
Hahaha. You don't know ANYone "educated" that would call someone who intentionally killed someone, but was convicted of a lower crime, a murderer. Ok sure.
No one's talking about a court, we're talking about casual discourse between civilians. Oh wait, except for the court that found trump responsible for sexual abuse
What does this even mean? The jury found him liable for sexual abuse. What crazy mental gymnastics are you doing to suggest that they "agreed with the lack of evidence"?
Any reasonable person with a hint of intelligence would have told her to go pound sand. Basically her evidence was she said it happened. Nothing else.
There is no way to defend yourself from such insanity.
My mistake. I suppose if you asked most Americans if they would vote for a rapist, they'd give you a resounding No.
But what if you ask them, would you vote for a sexually abusive forced digital penetrator? One with a reputation for walking into beauty pageant dressing rooms and dozens of accusations of sexual impropriety going back for years? It seems many Americans would say Yes, uwu!
They voted for Biden, knowing has a pattern of touching women and children inapprorpratly. .t's an open secret, and women don't want to be alone with him.
https://time.com/5578143/biden-inappropriate-touching/ https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6 https://news.yahoo.com/seven-women-have-now-accused-joe-biden-of-inappropriate-touching-131204785.html
Well yeah, gross. If you want my advice, don't vote for Biden, but also don't vote for that other guy. Either way, America loses.
You have to pick which one you think will do the best. After 1 term of each, to me it's an easy answer. Trump.
No, he is not a rapist, as he never had sex with that woman, but either way, rape is a crime, and he was not convicted of a crime.
Maybe you should read the difference between civil court and criminal court.
It is funny to see the liberals use the terms all wrong while being so confident. Trump was never charged with a crime. It was a civil claim that was hog wash.
That is no the conclusion the jury came to in their verdict.
I am defending logic and facts. It was a civil trial. It can't determine guilt, only liability.
Which clearly is saying he didn't criminally rape her. I mean how silly is that? A court saying since it didn't meet the legal standard, we are going to say it anyways. lol
Clown world.
Using the same definitions. Biden raped tara reade.
So either way we end up with a rapist in the White House.
So check your yard stick as well. Morally I have no issues voting for Trump.
She took to court forty years later when a democrat paid for the lawyer. She doesn’t know when it happened. Not the year, month, or anything but still posted with trump later in photos. I wouldn’t do that with my rapist.
Tara fled due to threats to her life. Even her husband confirmed the details in a court record in 1995. So this isn’t some issue that magically popped up. You’re just living in denial.
I am ok with Trump because i don’t believe her. She’s a liar or an idiot, I don’t trust either.
If it’s overturned in appeals, will you still be ranting the same?
I suspect you’re still mad that rittenhouse got away.
Nobody found him guilty of rape. The jury found him liable for sexual assault but specifically not for rape.
I see it as nothing more than a political attack. Otherwise, where are the criminal charges?
Actually incorrect. That would be beyond a reasonable doubt. The Burden for civil court is the preponderance of evidence.
If trump was convicted of the crime if rape. I wouldn’t vote for him but that hasn’t happened. Odd she didn’t want to press criminal charges. You’d think she’d want him in prison for raping her even though she doesn’t know when it happened and still posed with him afterwards. That’s clown world in a nutshell
Have you realized you're feeding a troll yet? You're making logical arguments to someone who is emotionally invested. Good fucking luck.