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The superior citation method (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you like footnotes, you'd love House of Leaves.

It's got footnotes, it's got two-page long foot notes, it's got footnotes within footnotes!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Structurally, the most challenging book I've ever read was "The Message of THE QUR ĀN" by Muhammad Asad.

Start with the fact that the QUR ĀN itself is extremely non-linear. So much so that I think that this alone requires a great deal of study to address.

The text is 2 columns, the original Arabic adjacent to his English translation. There are copious and often long footnotes. The footnotes cross reference other footnotes, sometimes in chains. I read only the English.

I had to read it 4 times. Once just ignoring footnotes. Again, this time including just first-level footnotes. Again, following footnote chains back to their sources in the text. Finally, to reread just the text after pretending that I had everything figured out.

It took me a year to get through it to my satisfaction, although it was not the only reading, or even major project.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hardest book I've read was Sadly, Porn by Edward Teach. The footnote game in that book is intense, and the prose in which the body text is written is also often hard to follow.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Extremely disappointed to discover that this isn't by the other Edward Teach. Please give me Blackbeard's extensively sourced treatise on porn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just read a description and a few reviews. I've decided that, for me, it's unlikely to be worth the effort.

Do you think it was worth the effort for you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would like for you to imagine Gregory House as a philosopher, with all his misanthropy, jaded sardony and ironic self-disparagement. Now imagine him writing a lengthy treatise on how all of modern media is pornography, and how we are all hopeless addicts.

It's certainly not a book for every reader. It's challenging, it's often quite insulting to the reader, but damn me if it hasn't made me pause and consider my situation. There is some quality cultural critique in Sadly, Porn, and I do believe that this text is worth discussing.

At the same time, I would not recommend it to a hobbyist reader. It's a critical text and it requires a more specialized mindset to engage with it correctly. I wouldn't casually pick it up as a break between books in the Twilight series. Myself, I haven't even read the entire thing yet. I read some, I think on it, I put it down for a while. It's the same as The Denial of Death by Becker, another book I would consider to be a very challenging but beneficial read.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Thank you!

I appreciate the comparison and analysis. I'll keep it in my "maybe I'll tackle it someday" list, but I've mostly moved away from writing that is hostile to the reader.

I don't have a problem with complex concepts, even when they ultimately go over my head. I don't even have a problem with stylistic weirdness in service of the message. I draw the line at writers who treat me like an imbecile, whether directly or through their own sense of superiority.

Actually, the long "Giving Tree" excerpt in one of the reviews reflects my own views. If that means we might already share opinions, then I for sure don't need to suffer abuse along the way. 😀

An obvious problem with my attitude is that I then shut myself off from discussing the merits of a work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

hardest book i've read was one fish two fish red fish blue fish :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No way, that's on my to read list for completely unrelated reasons already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's really good, but be prepared for a wild reading experience. You have to get it in print in their new(ish) full color format. Because the medium of the content is as important to the experience as the content itself.

And it's loooong